YWs New Value "Virtue".

[_The Nehor]

What if the girl's daddy is high up the food chain?

Is that what it takes?

I'm being sarcastic, I don't think what everyone is describing conforms with normal reality within the LDS faith. What would I know though? I am in one of the elite families so maybe all my friends who are converts and the sons and daughters of converts are endlessly degraded. I would have thought I would have noticed though that I was getting off scot-free while they were sentenced to being pariahs and their sins treated more seriously.

[_antishock8]

I remember when I was 13 one of the girls, who was also 13, was excommunicated for fornication.

Later, when I reported to the Bishop, at age 17, that I was fornicorndog I was allowed to repent as long as I "didn't do it again until I was married in the temple".

[_The Nehor]

I remember when I was 13 one of the girls, who was also 13, was excommunicated for fornication.

Later, when I reported to the Bishop, at age 17, that I was fornicorndog I was allowed to repent as long as I "didn't do it again until I was married in the temple".

Do you know the details? Was she repentant? Did she confess or was she caught? Was this a multiple offense thing? Did she express any resolve not to do it again?

[_Brackite]

I joined in the Young Women's class on Sunday at church, I never really grew out of it lol, and I got a shock. They have a new value.

Hello Imwashingmypirate,

I am Glad that you are still going to Church, and that you are back going to Young Women's class. Keep up the good work of continuing going to Church. Good Luck!!.

[_Scottie]

This is something I don't understand. A young man going on a mission cannot have fiscal responsibilities. So how can a young man who has fathered a child be given a wink and a nod, and sent on a mission? He has fiscal responsibilities that will last for 18 years. Yet the High Councilman's son went, his pregnant girlfriend notwithstanding. She's no longer a member; he's married in the temple. She was sacrificed on the altar of the boy's Daddy's pride. And everyone looked the other way.

Don't tell me girls and boys in this situation are treated equally. What matters is how high up on the food chain the boy's daddy is. Higher than rank and file, and he's given a free pass. Rank and file, and they're both treated like pariahs, instead of just the girl getting that treatment.

Sorry, you misunderstood my post, as I wasn't very clear.

I wasn't talking about a boy that gets a girl pregnant, but rather a boy that is guilty of pre-marital sex.

I'm sure things like this happen to both sexes. I'm sure somebody has a story about the daughter of a high councilman that forced the boy to abandon college and marry his daughter, or some such abuse of power.

If I may say, you seem hyper sensitive about it and therefore may be more keen to notice injustices that happen to women more readily than those that happen to men?

[_Scottie]

I remember when I was 13 one of the girls, who was also 13, was excommunicated for fornication.

I'm betting there was more to this story.

[_harmony]

Sorry, you misunderstood my post, as I wasn't very clear.

I wasn't talking about a boy that gets a girl pregnant, but rather a boy that is guilty of pre-marital sex.

I'm sure things like this happen to both sexes. I'm sure somebody has a story about the daughter of a high councilman that forced the boy to abandon college and marry his daughter, or some such abuse of power.

If I may say, you seem hyper sensitive about it and therefore may be more keen to notice injustices that happen to women more readily than those that happen to men?

Me? Hypersensitive? Surely you jest.

In reality, I have 6 sons. I watched some of their friends go on missions who had no business going on missions, and one son who refused to go on a mission after his friend, whose dad happened to a high councilman, went off on his mission after engaging in highly inappropriate actions over a series of years. He felt that if his unrepentent friend was going, there was nothing in a mission that was of the least interest to him.

Through no desire of my own, I am a member of the Parents Whose Children Fell To Temptation Club. The stories would curl your toes.

[_Jason Bourne]

However, the one area I think the women get it is in the repentance portion. They are made to feel that loss of virginity is tantamount to pouring acid on your face. No righteous LDS man could POSSIBLY want you after you've lost that!

Yes I agree. Men also seem to have more trouble dealing with the sexual past of their GF/wife than visa versa.

Young men are often times pushed through the repentance process to go on a mission. Kind of a wink and a nod from the bishop type of thing.

Since the "Raising of the Bar" a number of years ago this is not the case. One or maybe, just maybe two sexual intercourse infractions may not keep a YM off a mission. But any more than that will end mission opportunities for a YM. If he has fathered a child he most definitely will not serve even if the child has been put up for adoption. This is all now codified in the Handbook of Instructions.

[_Jason Bourne]

This is something I don't understand. A young man going on a mission cannot have fiscal responsibilities. So how can a young man who has fathered a child be given a wink and a nod, and sent on a mission? He has fiscal responsibilities that will last for 18 years. Yet the High Councilman's son went, his pregnant girlfriend notwithstanding. She's no longer a member; he's married in the temple. She was sacrificed on the altar of the boy's Daddy's pride. And everyone looked the other way.

I am not sure when this was but if it was after about 2001 then I am amazed this happened. A young man who fathers a child is not allowed to serve a mission-period.

Don't tell me girls and boys in this situation are treated equally. What matters is how high up on the food chain the boy's daddy is. Higher than rank and file, and he's given a free pass. Rank and file, and they're both treated like pariahs, instead of just the girl getting that treatment.

I am telling you they are treated the same. Young men are pushed to serve a mission. YW are not. Ask your bishop to read the "Raise the Bar" rules for YM and mission. Father a child out of wedlock and you will never serve a mission. Have multiple sexual encounters with one partner or across partners and you will not serve either unless you can get FP permission. There are other deal killers as well. So from AP time forward now YM are told to serve and told that is they break the law of chastity it most likely will end their chances to serve.

[_harmony]

This is something I don't understand. A young man going on a mission cannot have fiscal responsibilities. So how can a young man who has fathered a child be given a wink and a nod, and sent on a mission? He has fiscal responsibilities that will last for 18 years. Yet the High Councilman's son went, his pregnant girlfriend notwithstanding. She's no longer a member; he's married in the temple. She was sacrificed on the altar of the boy's Daddy's pride. And everyone looked the other way.

I am not sure when this was but if it was after about 2001 then I am amazed this happened. A young man who fathers a child is not allowed to serve a mission-period.

This was 10 years ago. I hope you're right, about what happens now.

I am telling you they are treated the same. Young men are pushed to serve a mission. YW are not. Ask your bishop to read the "Raise the Bar" rules for YM and mission. Father a child out of wedlock and you will never serve a mission. Have multiple sexual encounters with one partner or across partners and you will not serve either unless you can get FP permission. There are other deal killers as well. So from AP time forward now YM are told to serve and told that is they break the law of chastity it most likely will end their chances to serve.

I hope you're right.