One of the biggest reason why I'm a DCP fan.....

[_harmony]

But as I am I will only add: when the wicked rule the people mourn.

Do I need to give up my moderator status?

[_bcspace]

But islam is a religion, consist of a huge wrecking-crew, which is hell-bent to destroy
Western, or any reasonable Culture which respects & treats women somewhat equally.
You cannot imagine (unless you've lived among them), how traditional Islam treats it's women.

From what I've seen, I think DCP would agree with you here. However, he seems to believe that Islam got off to a much better start and that Mohammed is misunderstood/misinterpreted by radical Muslims and if only they could understand the true/original teachings....etc. etc.

I personally disagree with him here.

For a more complete (and oriental) view of Islam, I recommend Daniel Pipes

[_Daniel Peterson]

I think that Islam and Muslims created one of the greatest civilizations that ever existed on the planet, linking vast areas under a common legal system, fostering philosophy, science, medicine, literature, art, and literature to an astonishing extent.

Was it without flaws? No.

Was medieval Christendom? Not even close.

[_Daniel Peterson]

Incidentally, I think highly of Daniel Pipes, and his organization, Campus Watch, seems to approve of me:

http://www.campus-watch.org/recommends.php

[_ludwigm]

...
Were I a Chaldean I would exclaim: Keed' nauh ...

I like that text.
Was this written/said by Joseph Smith or produced by a certain W.W.Phelps, we may never know.

But this is from Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, Section Six 1843-44, p.299-300

Meaning of Word Mormon
To the Editor of the Times & Seasons:

Sir:--Through the medium of your paper, I wish to correct an error among men that profess to be learned, liberal and wise; and I do it the more cheerfully, because I hope sober-thinking and sound-reasoning people will sooner listen to the voice of truth, than be led astray by the vain pretensions of the self-wise. the error I speak of, is the definition of the word "Mormon." I has been stated that this word was derived from the Greek word "mormo." This is not the case. There was no Greek or Latin upon the plates from which I, through the grace of God, translated the Book of Mormon. Let the language of that book speak for itself. On the 523rd page, of the fourth edition, it reads: "And now behold we have written this record according to our knowledge in the characters, which are called among us the "Reformed Egyptian," being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech; and if our plates had been sufficiently large, we should have written in Hebrew: but the Hebrew hath been altered by us, also; and if we could have written in Hebrew, behold ye would have had no imperfection in our record, but the Lord knoweth the things which we have written, and also, that none other people knoweth our language; therefore he hath prepared means for the interpretation thereof."

Here then the subject is put to silence, for "none other people knoweth our language," therefore the Lord, and not man, had to interpret, after the people were all dead. And as Paul said, "the world by wisdom know not God," so the world by speculation are destitute of revelation; and as God in his superior wisdom, has always given his Saints, wherever he had any on the earth, the same spirit, and that spirit, as John says, is the true spirit of prophecy, which is the testimony of Jesus. I may safely say that the word Mormon stands independent of the learning and wisdom of this generation.--Before I give a definition, however, to the word, let me say that the Bible in its widest sense, means good; for the Savior says according to the gospel of John, "I am the good shepherd;" and it will not be beyond the common use of terms, to say that good is among the most important in use, and though known by various names in different languages, still its meaning is the same, and is ever in opposition to "bad." We say from the Saxon, "good"; the Dane, "god"; the Goth, "goda"; the German, "gut"; the Dutch, "goed"; the Latin, "bonus"; the Greek, "kalos"; the Hebrew, "tob"; and the "Egyptian, "mon." Hence, with the addition of "more," or the contraction, "mor," we have the word "Mormon"; which means, literally, "more good."
Yours,
JOSEPH SMITH.

So, Joseph Smith knew Saxon, Dane, Goth, German, Dutch, Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and Egyptian (probably not only the reformed one).

One should know a dozen weird language to decode the real meaning of that citation from Mormon 9, marked blue.

Mormon means literally more good. Cheer!

[_ludwigm]

... pronounce judgment on Hungary-related scholarship or to evaluate studies of Hungarian linguistics ...

Fortunately, there is nothing to do with that level. My sentence marked with red is a simple swearing which I should be very sorry for.

But I am not.

[_Chap]

...
Were I a Chaldean I would exclaim: Keed' nauh ...

I like that text.
Was this written/said by Joseph Smith or produced by a certain W.W.Phelps, we may never know.

But this is from Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, Section Six 1843-44, p.299-300

Meaning of Word Mormon
To the Editor of the Times & Seasons:

Sir:--Through the medium of your paper, I wish to correct an error among men that profess to be learned, liberal and wise; and I do it the more cheerfully, because I hope sober-thinking and sound-reasoning people will sooner listen to the voice of truth, than be led astray by the vain pretensions of the self-wise. the error I speak of, is the definition of the word "Mormon." I has been stated that this word was derived from the Greek word "mormo." This is not the case. There was no Greek or Latin upon the plates from which I, through the grace of God, translated the Book of Mormon. Let the language of that book speak for itself. On the 523rd page, of the fourth edition, it reads: "And now behold we have written this record according to our knowledge in the characters, which are called among us the "Reformed Egyptian," being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech; and if our plates had been sufficiently large, we should have written in Hebrew: but the Hebrew hath been altered by us, also; and if we could have written in Hebrew, behold ye would have had no imperfection in our record, but the Lord knoweth the things which we have written, and also, that none other people knoweth our language; therefore he hath prepared means for the interpretation thereof."

Here then the subject is put to silence, for "none other people knoweth our language," therefore the Lord, and not man, had to interpret, after the people were all dead. And as Paul said, "the world by wisdom know not God," so the world by speculation are destitute of revelation; and as God in his superior wisdom, has always given his Saints, wherever he had any on the earth, the same spirit, and that spirit, as John says, is the true spirit of prophecy, which is the testimony of Jesus. I may safely say that the word Mormon stands independent of the learning and wisdom of this generation.--Before I give a definition, however, to the word, let me say that the Bible in its widest sense, means good; for the Savior says according to the gospel of John, "I am the good shepherd;" and it will not be beyond the common use of terms, to say that good is among the most important in use, and though known by various names in different languages, still its meaning is the same, and is ever in opposition to "bad." We say from the Saxon, "good"; the Dane, "god"; the Goth, "goda"; the German, "gut"; the Dutch, "goed"; the Latin, "bonus"; the Greek, "kalos"; the Hebrew, "tob"; and the "Egyptian, "mon." Hence, with the addition of "more," or the contraction, "mor," we have the word "Mormon"; which means, literally, "more good."
Yours,
JOSEPH SMITH.

So, Joseph Smith knew Saxon, Dane, Goth, German, Dutch, Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and Egyptian (probably not only the reformed one).

One should know a dozen weird language to decode the real meaning of that citation from Mormon 9, marked blue.

Mormon means literally more good. Cheer!

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: whenever Joseph Smith made any public reference to words alleged to be in ancient Egyptian, he proved that he was unacquainted with that language. Thus, the Egyptian for 'good' is not 'mon' (and if it was Egyptian, we could only say 'mn', since the vowels aren't known), but 'nfr'. And so on.

Joseph Smith must have known that he did not know the language. Yet he was prepared to make statements whose intent was calculated to deceive his audience into thinking he did.

Conclusion: Joseph Smith was prepared to lie to impress people.

Points for further investigation: How far is that conclusion an economical and not improbable explanation of other features of Joseph Smith's life and activities?

[_harmony]

I think that Islam and Muslims created one of the greatest civilizations that ever existed on the planet, linking vast areas under a common legal system, fostering philosophy, science, medicine, literature, art, and literature to an astonishing extent.

Was it without flaws? No.

Was medieval Christendom? Not even close.

Was medieval Christendom what? a great civilization? or was it without flaws?

What was the average woman's existence like, under Mohammed great civilization?

Medieval Christendom may have gotten a whole raft of things wrong (and I'm sure they did), but they didn't provide an official stamp of approval for multiple wives.