Satan no longer has 'powers & priesthoods'?

[Guest]

but seriously, to the point that you're making, inconceivable. it's a somewhat interesting point that i hadn't thought about before. so yes, according to the wording used by "the satan" (i don't respect nor adore him), it is a way to conceal sin before god. so, if each temple attendee represents adam or eve, they are presumably going through the motions that adam and eve went through (just kind of thinking through it aloud here). i get what you're saying, at least i think i do, but i'm trying to understand how much it seems to have affected you. maybe i don't get its full import. could it be that it's just a symbol to remind us about our innate tendency to cover up our wrongdoing in order to help us keep an open relationship with the lord (and by extension, with our spouses)?

just riffin' here.

Your riffin makes pretty good sense here.

However, how long does the Mormon god want to hold a grudge? If a Mormon has actually changed (or been born again as the character Nephi says). Why the reminder that we may have been once decieptful or followers of Satan. Satan is the one that commanded us to put the apron on in the first place. Undoubtedly we saw Satan's apron. God does not have one. Why in the hell do I want to take Satan's fashion statement to my grave?

So why the apron? The garments (and it's symbols) are the reminders that Mormons need to stay within the bounds the Mormon God has set etc. Why cover a garment (without spot) with a dirty evil Satan apron?

[_KimberlyAnn]

Anyone else heard that Satan is gay? I had a companion who claimed it was doctrine.

As you can plainly see, Satan was a lesbian. And I'm pretty sure he still is because I think it was him who hit on me in a hot tub two years ago. It was an ugly scene.

KA

PS. Sorry, Inconceivable! It was just too tempting to carry on with the joke. And I can't fart my ABC's either, because I don't fart at all. Ever. Ladies don't do that sort of thing.

[_Inconceivable]

Anyone else heard that Satan is gay? I had a companion who claimed it was doctrine.

As you can plainly see, Satan was a lesbian. And I'm pretty sure he still is because I think it was him who hit on me in a hot tub two years ago. It was an ugly scene.

KA

PS. Sorry, Inconceivable! It was just too tempting to carry on with the joke. And I can't fart my ABC's either, because I don't fart at all. Ever. Ladies don't do that sort of thing.

Good grief. Look what I started.

forgive me, baby Jesus.

[mentalgymnast]

helllooooooooo, alter idem.

(crickets chirping..)

I'm really sorry for taking so long to get back, I'm not used to anyone responding to me, let alone asking a question, so I don't visit the board regularly.

For information. regarding the apron here is a link:

http://www.fairlds.org/Bible/Did_the_Lo ... Apron.html

Some valid points from the article:

Besides being a symbol for modesty and righteousness for the Lord, there is yet another symbol for the girdle (apron). It has to do with Priesthood authority. The book of Exodus is very detailed about the dress of "holy garments" for those in authority, and the girdle was part of that.

The apron, or girdle, is a symbol of righteousness to the Lord, and of Priesthood authority. The Lord never condemned the wearing of fig leaf aprons. Rather, it is a Biblical symbol of Priesthood Authority, righteousness to the Lord, and the creation of man by God, not to mention the clear representation of the symbolism referring to modesty. I hope this answers your question.

As Harmony said, it was to "cover their nakedness" or a symbol of modesty as the article pointed out, but as with most things, they have more than one meaning or there are layers of meaning. Note that the apron is made of fig leaves. So to answer your CFR, I cite "The Lost Language of Symbolism" by Alonzo Gaskill. Page 62-63

"Anciently both aprons and figs symbolized fertility and reproduction. "In ancient Semitic custom, young children ran about with a loose shirt or cloak. As they reached sexual maturity, they began to wear an "apron" or loincloth....

It was not until the fall that Adam and Ever were able to "multiply and replenish" the earth as they had been commanded (Moses 5:11). Upon placing themselves in a position to "be fruitful and multiply" , Adama and Eve appropriately donned the very symbols of their newly received power" (bold added for emphasis)

[_Alter Idem]

It represented the power of procreation that was part of the gift of a mortal body and the charge that God gives to Adam and Eve. It is not Satan's.

See, you are naked. Take some fig leaves and make you aprons. Father will see your nakedness. Quick! Hide!

On the contrary, the green apron has never represented the power of precreation. It was and is about hiding sin.

Try to remember that some of us here have been around a long time.

And it seems "some" of us have been attending a long time but possibly not putting much thought into it while doing so?

Yes, Satan plants the suggestion and their responding to it is symbolic also. It is the beginning of Satan insinuating himself between Mankind and God. But the apron is not just about hiding nakedness. Please see my answer to Inconveivable.

[_harmony]

[quote="Alter Idem"]
Uhhhmm. No. The temple endowment is very clear what the green apron is for. At no point in the endowment does that meaning ever change. Were the speculations of the FAIR crowd more than mere speculations, the endowment would clearly reflect that. It's certainly clear now. Why would anyone accept the speculations of the FAIR crowd, over the words of the endowment itself?

[_harmony]

And it seems "some" of us have been attending a long time but possibly not putting much thought into it while doing so?

Yes, Satan plants the suggestion and their responding to it is symbolic also. It is the beginning of Satan insinuating himself between Mankind and God. But the apron is not just about hiding nakedness. Please see my answer to Inconveivable.

You might want to go back to the temple and go through an endowment session, A.I.. It says exactly what Joseph wants it to say, and that part of it has never been changed.

[_Alter Idem]

And it seems "some" of us have been attending a long time but possibly not putting much thought into it while doing so?

Yes, Satan plants the suggestion and their responding to it is symbolic also. It is the beginning of Satan insinuating himself between Mankind and God. But the apron is not just about hiding nakedness. Please see my answer to Inconveivable.

You might want to go back to the temple and go through an endowment session, A.I.. It says exactly what Joseph wants it to say, and that part of it has never been changed.

If you want to think that's "all" it means, if you think that the endowment is only what you see and hear, you are missing a lot. I gave you some information--some of which you trashed because it came from FAIR--the other, which did not come from FAIR, you basically ignored because it isn't "mentioned"? Where did you get the idea that everything we are to learn or understand from the endowment must be spelled out exactly?

[_Inconceivable]

What she said, A.I..

FAIR/FARMS: squarepeg into roundhole mentallity, referencing everything but the endowment ceremony they are attempting to describe - dizzying.

The Mormon God commanded Adam and Eve to put on the exact same oversized G-string that Satan commanded them to put on (a symbolic gesture intended to hide their sins).

Satan did not endow them with any priesthood power, he clothed them with deceipt.

Joseph Smith's God does not wear an apron neither does the Mormon Jesus, regardless of whether anyone else's God does.

Not there, man.

Unless you're sporting the big apron to change the endowment ceremony, you're just going to have to deal with it.

Why not just close your eyes as if you were asleep instead

[_Inconceivable]

If you want to think that's "all" it means, if you think that the endowment is only what you see and hear, you are missing a lot.

I think what you are attempting to convey is that the endowment, like a parable, has layers of meaning. You may note that the deeper meanings within parables (particularly Jesus')compliment and illuminate subsequent layers.

When you peel an onion, you find either more onion or a worm, but never an apple.