cinepro wrote:I think the LDS framing of tithing as a "debt" to God answers this question. It isn't a question of whether or not to pay a debtor, it's a question of which debtor you're going to pay first.
Damn. The wife and I have racked up a HUGE debt to God over the past few decades. I wonder how long we'll be condemned to Spirit Debtor's Prison for the unpaid debt.
Or perhaps the penalty will be forced servitude until the debt is paid, cleaning out the heavenly stables (or harems) for a couple of millennia.
Luckily, the only specific scriptural "penalty" related to tithing is phrased as a positive/negative construction, so while tithe-payers are guaranteed they won't burn at the second coming, it is not necessarily true that non-tithe payers will all burn.
D&C 64:23
Behold, now it is called today until the coming of the Son of Man, and verily it is a day of sacrifice, and a day for the tithing of my people; for he that is tithed shall not be burned at his coming.
As far as I can tell, there are no specific temporal penalties related to the un-payment of tithing other than inability to attend the Temple. And research has shown that, all other things being the same, non-tithe payers are approximately 10% wealthier than tithe-payers.
krose wrote:Damn. The wife and I have racked up a HUGE debt to God over the past few decades. I wonder how long we'll be condemned to Spirit Debtor's Prison for the unpaid debt.
Or perhaps the penalty will be forced servitude until the debt is paid, cleaning out the heavenly stables (or harems) for a couple of millennia.
I advise repentance, gets the penalty removed.
Thanks. I'll try the deathbed variety, at which time I also plan to accept Jesus as my personal savior just to hedge my bets and satisfy Pascal's Wager.
But then I think I can get the debt waived by declaring spiritual bankruptcy. I've already been declared morally bankrupt by a few people because I support The Gay rights.
"The DNA of fictional populations appears to be the most susceptible to extinction." - Simon Southerton
cinepro wrote:Luckily, the only specific scriptural "penalty" related to tithing is phrased as a positive/negative construction, so while tithe-payers are guaranteed they won't burn at the second coming, it is not necessarily true that non-tithe payers will all burn.
That would be some fire if all the people burned who didn't pay a full tithe to the LDS church. About 99.99% of the people on the planet is all.
"The DNA of fictional populations appears to be the most susceptible to extinction." - Simon Southerton
cinepro wrote:Luckily, the only specific scriptural "penalty" related to tithing is phrased as a positive/negative construction, so while tithe-payers are guaranteed they won't burn at the second coming, it is not necessarily true that non-tithe payers will all burn.
That would be some fire if all the people burned who didn't pay a full tithe to the LDS church. About 99.99% of the people on the planet is all.
It'll be like Noah's ark. I suppose the prophet will gather 2 of every kind of creature and store them in the temples with all the tithepaying members while the inferno burns the heathens.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
Dr. Shades wrote:Since when does missionary work involve "off time?"
Couple missionaries have all sorts of time off. Say they work at at temple. They finish a shift. They are free to do what they want. Or say they do CES. Same thing. They may be busy during certain parts of the day but then when their CES stuff is done they have free time.
Many of the ponzi scheme types and con artists in the LDS community pay tithing. It is part of their scam and is very useful in fleecing the greedy members who believe their promises of out of this world returns on their money.
If one wants to go an a mission as old farts, then go. Just don't' be under any starry eyed ideas of reality as you do it. Actually do some good instead of just persuading the gullible. Start a soup kitchen. Help the homeless. Volunteer in a cancer ward. Do something positive rather than the same old crap.
Many of the ponzi scheme types and con artists in the LDS community pay tithing. It is part of their scam and is very useful in fleecing the greedy members who believe their promises of out of this world returns on their money.
CFR please
If one wants to go an a mission as old farts, then go. Just don't' be under any starry eyed ideas of reality as you do it. Actually do some good instead of just persuading the gullible. Start a soup kitchen. Help the homeless. Volunteer in a cancer ward. Do something positive rather than the same old crap.
There are tons of service type opportunities and humanitarian efforts that one can do as an LDS missionary couple if they wish.
The Nehor wrote:I advise repentance, gets the penalty removed.
Thanks. I'll try the deathbed variety, at which time I also plan to accept Jesus as my personal savior just to hedge my bets and satisfy Pascal's Wager.
But then I think I can get the debt waived by declaring spiritual bankruptcy. I've already been declared morally bankrupt by a few people because I support The Gay rights.
Deathbed repentance is great. Just don't be surprised if right after you die someone in white shows up and gives you a list of spirits to hometeach to see if you are sincere in your conversion.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
JoetheClerk wrote:Many of the ponzi scheme types and con artists in the LDS community pay tithing. It is part of their scam and is very useful in fleecing the greedy members who believe their promises of out of this world returns on their money.
If one wants to go an a mission as old farts, then go. Just don't' be under any starry eyed ideas of reality as you do it. Actually do some good instead of just persuading the gullible. Start a soup kitchen. Help the homeless. Volunteer in a cancer ward. Do something positive rather than the same old crap.
As a young missionary I did some of the stuff you mentioned and the old crap. I find that senior missionaries do a little less of the old crap you mentioned and more of the new crap you seem to esteem. I know one couple who helped run an orphanage, another that taught hygiene and provided medical care, and another that tried to come up with new ideas for creating food. Some proselyte, some run Institutes, some do Service Missions, some do leadership missions. Just depends.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
