Dr. Shades, a word with you please?

[_Yoda]

So, where does one draw the line?

The line should be drawn when involving someone on the board's family. I think it is completely unethical for anyone to post a photo of another poster's family if they don't have permission by either the family member or that poster to do so.

[_Ray A]

Everyone has been discussing Eric on that now enormous thread, which is now 19 pages, speculating about his behaviour, his motivations, whether he's a low down liar, accusing him of fabricating stories, and on and on it goes.

I stopped posting on that thread because Eric wasn't saying much, and has always said he'd reveal more later. But no, it didn't stop. His soul was bared to the world - by others - at least as they perceived Eric. Advice dished out in spades, which he didn't ask for. It almost reminds me of Job, "miserable comforters are ye all".

Eric's anger probably intensified during that thread, possibly motivating him to put up the offending avatar. He wasn't posting, or just responding to inaccurate information if he was. Everyone else was doing the talking for him.

Yes folks, 19 pages of it. One "offending avatar" goes up, and the dirt is on him again. Don't you think this guy has already had a hard enough life?

[_harmony]

Everyone has been discussing Eric on that now enormous thread, which is now 19 pages, speculating about his behaviour, his motivations, whether he's a low down liar, accusing him of fabricating stories, and on and on it goes.

I stopped posting on that thread because Eric wasn't saying much, and has always said he'd reveal more later. But no, it didn't stop. His soul was bared to the world - by others - at least as they perceived Eric. Advice dished out in spades, which he didn't ask for. It almost reminds me of Job, "miserable comforters are ye all".

Eric's anger probably intensified during that thread, possibly motivating him to put up the offending avatar. He wasn't posting, or just responding to inaccurate information if he was. Everyone else was doing the talking for him.

Yes folks, 19 pages of it. One "offending avatar" goes up, and the dirt is on him again. Don't you think this guy has already had a hard enough life?

Personal responsibility, Ray. We're all required to take it, even if we don't like the consequences of our actions.

He opened the ball. Now he can dance to the tune that he himself chose.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

But only you and Crock (and you solely via Crock's bringing it to your attention) knew who "that very person" was. None of the rest of us did.

Many people who had received the father's post recognized it on this list. Gee -- I think it fair game to send a public link to another person on the internet, although I was never able to do it.

Are you claiming that the referenced "many people" are posters/lurkers on this bb? Or did they "recognize" it only because you and/or DCP forwarded it on? It seems to me that only you (to be followed by DCP) jumped into hyper-drive with the intent to expose GoodK to his family.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

Just as I couldn't get GoodK's father's attention by email, nor could I with Dr. Peterson. I think Dr. Peterson noted that somewhere on this board.

I recall DCP's stating that he did get your email about this.

[_Daniel Peterson]

Are you claiming that the referenced "many people" are posters/lurkers on this bb? Or did they "recognize" it only because you and/or DCP forwarded it on? It seems to me that only you (to be followed by DCP) jumped into hyper-drive with the intent to expose GoodK to his family.

I sent GoodK's stepfather a link to GoodK's post about GoodK's stepfather. Period. It seems rather extravagant to describe that as "jumping into hyper-drive" or to imagine that "many people" recognized GoodK because I sent a link to GoodK's stepfather.

Just as I couldn't get GoodK's father's attention by email, nor could I with Dr. Peterson. I think Dr. Peterson noted that somewhere on this board.

I recall DCP's stating that he did get your email about this.

It's possible that I'm mistaken on this, but, as I recall, I shared the link with GoodK's stepfather, my friend, entirely unprompted by Bob Crockett.

[_rcrocket]

Just as I couldn't get GoodK's father's attention by email, nor could I with Dr. Peterson. I think Dr. Peterson noted that somewhere on this board.

I recall DCP's stating that he did get your email about this.

Yes, but he never opened it until long after this controversy was months old. Check the old history on this board. I was at the time not one of Dr. Peterson's friends. I didn't even know if I had the right email address; I used a construct based upon BYU formats.

Are you claiming that the referenced "many people" are posters/lurkers on this bb? Or did they "recognize" it only because you and/or DCP forwarded it on? It seems to me that only you (to be followed by DCP) jumped into hyper-drive with the intent to expose GoodK to his family.

Yes to lurkers; no to other board members. No, I didn't forward the post to anybody. No, I did not jump into any hyperdrive; I chose not to follow up my email to the father and didn't. Months later I asked him about it after he knew all about it and he said he had never received an email from me.

I know you don't want to believe me. However, and once again, I see nothing wrong with taking a publicly-posted statement about a friend of mine (and a client, to boot) and bringing that statement to his attention. I am sure that if some nasty apologist were saying something nasty about a personal critic friend of yours, calling him either by his in real life name or his real name, you wouldn't hesitate bringing it to his attention.

But, here, GoodK has left. I remain. I triumph.

[_Nomomo]

What is amazing is why the hell isn't GoodK baned yet? The frickin' little brat has made it entirely clear he cares for no one on the board nor how his asinine childish behaviour affects the board.

[_Yoda]

Everyone has been discussing Eric on that now enormous thread, which is now 19 pages, speculating about his behaviour, his motivations, whether he's a low down liar, accusing him of fabricating stories, and on and on it goes.

I stopped posting on that thread because Eric wasn't saying much, and has always said he'd reveal more later. But no, it didn't stop. His soul was bared to the world - by others - at least as they perceived Eric. Advice dished out in spades, which he didn't ask for. It almost reminds me of Job, "miserable comforters are ye all".

Eric's anger probably intensified during that thread, possibly motivating him to put up the offending avatar. He wasn't posting, or just responding to inaccurate information if he was. Everyone else was doing the talking for him.

Yes folks, 19 pages of it. One "offending avatar" goes up, and the dirt is on him again. Don't you think this guy has already had a hard enough life?

Actually, Ray, the majority of that thread (at least the last 5-10 pages) involves Social Services research. What happened to Eric touched a nerve with many of us, all parents. Yes, there were a few dissenters, but the majority of participators on that thread were doing research on Utah Social Services regulations in an attempt to HELP Eric, not condemn him.

And yes, Ray, I called Eric on the carpet for posting that "offending avatar". Do you know why?

Not because I had some vendetta against Eric, or because I have some great fondness for Bob Crockett. I've always liked Eric....and Bob and I fight like cats and dogs on a regular basis on the board!

I took the position I took because it was the right thing to do.

You, of all people, Ray, should understand that. Remember a few years ago when your daughter's name was dragged through the mud on RfM? How did that make you feel?

Imagine how you would feel if someone posted a picture of one of your daughters on a website, and they hadn't authorized that posting.

That's what happened here, Ray.

I'm sorry that Eric threw a temper tantrum. Bottom line...that's essentially what he did. He didn't get his way, and decided to pull what he saw as a big Trump card, and left the board.

I honestly wish him well. I hope he changes his mind sometime and decides to post with us again....But if he does that, he needs to be mindful of what is appropriate and what is not.

[_marg]

I agree with you Liz.