JohnStuartMill wrote:The Church has said that it doesn't have a problem with gay people as long as they live the law of chastity. This incident shows that that just isn't true. The characteristics of the event are pretty unflattering, too: Church agents used violence against people who didn't do a whole lot more than let it be known that they were homosexuals. Does The Nehor really think that the couple wouldn't have been wrestled to the ground if they instead simply held up signs saying that they were homosexual? Even if he does, he's not off the hook, because that would mean that Church agents resorted to violence because of the differential of a same-sex peck on the cheek, which is absurd.
Now obviously, the Church has a right to say what people can't do on its property. But with this incident, it's showing that it would rather wallow in three thousand year old goatherder morality than adopt the live-and-let-live attitude that is the hallmark of modernity.
Violence? Wrestled to the ground? What?!?!?!?
I'll take the tried and true 'goatherder' mentality that works over the vacuous morality of modernity that defines tolerance as indulgence.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
JohnStuartMill wrote:The Church has said that it doesn't have a problem with gay people as long as they live the law of chastity. This incident shows that that just isn't true. The characteristics of the event are pretty unflattering, too: Church agents used violence against people who didn't do a whole lot more than let it be known that they were homosexuals. Does The Nehor really think that the couple wouldn't have been wrestled to the ground if they instead simply held up signs saying that they were homosexual? Even if he does, he's not off the hook, because that would mean that Church agents resorted to violence because of the differential of a same-sex peck on the cheek, which is absurd.
Now obviously, the Church has a right to say what people can't do on its property. But with this incident, it's showing that it would rather wallow in three thousand year old goatherder morality than adopt the live-and-let-live attitude that is the hallmark of modernity.
Violence? Wrestled to the ground? What?!?!?!?
"The guards put Jones on the ground and handcuffed him, he said. Aune said he was also cuffed roughly, and suffered bruises and a swollen wrist."
Holding hands and kissing a cheek is not dishonoring parents.
Gay people are not dishonoring their parents? Would you care to restate your opinion on this one?
How are they dishonoring their parents? Because they won't have children? One of my sisters has no children, due to the abuse she suffered at the hands of my younger brother when she was a child. Is she dishonoring our parents?
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Awwww......poor baby. I know a little something about police procedure and you generally don't put someone on the ground to cuff them or use force unless they're resisting. I don't see violence or wrestling happening unless he's confessing that he was physically resisting.
I'll take the tried and true 'goatherder' mentality that works over the vacuous morality of modernity that defines tolerance as indulgence.
In other words, you'd rather stone disobedient children to death than let boys kiss. Why am I not surprised?
If we had a society where parents were required to take their kids in to be stoned if they grew up to be disobedient drunken reprobates (the actual law) then I imagine parenting might be taken a bit more seriously by some people. Yes, I'd rather see such a law then allow gay marriage.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
How is holding hands, a hug, and a kiss on the cheek possibly "unchaste"?
Very Respectfully,
Doctor CamNC4Me
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
How is holding hands, a hug, and a kiss on the cheek possibly "unchaste"?
Very Respectfully,
Doctor CamNC4Me
Doctor CamWhore,
Any relationship between members of the same gender involving physical attraction is against the LDS Law of Chastity.
Disrespectfully Disagreeing,
Fronzel Neekburm
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Awwww......poor baby. I know a little something about police procedure and you generally don't put someone on the ground to cuff them or use force unless they're resisting. I don't see violence or wrestling happening unless he's confessing that he was physically resisting.
I put the odds at a passive resistance here pretty high. The assumption that police are going to use the least restrictive force necessary is quite naïve, though. Police routinely violate that. The notion of a police officer using more force than necessary in concert with their personal prejudices is common enough that there's nothing whatsoever unbelievable about it happening in any one instance.
With that out of the way, this is my current favorite police brutality video:
Don't worry. I hear she was a disobedient, drunken reprobate.
If we had a society where parents were required to take their kids in to be stoned if they grew up to be disobedient drunken reprobates (the actual law) then I imagine parenting might be taken a bit more seriously by some people. Yes, I'd rather see such a law then allow gay marriage.
Great. Hopefully you realize this reads as, "I am a twisted monster."
Awwww......poor baby. I know a little something about police procedure and you generally don't put someone on the ground to cuff them or use force unless they're resisting. I don't see violence or wrestling happening unless he's confessing that he was physically resisting.
I put the odds at a passive resistance here pretty high. The assumption that police are going to use the least restrictive force necessary is quite naïve, though. Police routinely violate that. The notion of a police officer using more force than necessary in concert with their personal prejudices is common enough that there's nothing whatsoever unbelievable about it happening in any one instance.
With that out of the way, this is my current favorite police brutality video:
Don't worry. I hear she was a disobedient, drunken reprobate.
I realize that sometimes more then needed force is applied but I notice that the arrested guy never makes this claim overtly. I don't doubt some physical force was used. I just highly suspect it was needed. On the whole I think the message is that when you are engaged in homosexual kissing on LDS property and are asked to leave, LEAVE!!!!!!!!
If we had a society where parents were required to take their kids in to be stoned if they grew up to be disobedient drunken reprobates (the actual law) then I imagine parenting might be taken a bit more seriously by some people. Yes, I'd rather see such a law then allow gay marriage.
Great. Hopefully you realize this reads as, "I am a twisted monster."
For all interested, I am a twisted monster. Either that or I'm a lone voice of reason in a world of madness. I'm going to go with the second choice instead of giving in to the liberal Marxist commie socialist red left-wing homosexual ways that you espouse.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:It's sin and to expect the Church to tolerate it's rules being flagrantly broken on THEIR OWN PROPERTY is incredibly arrogant.
But it's politically correct to demand it nonetheless.
I'd have more sympathy if LDS Inc. had not used a bait and switch to purchase the property under the pretext that it would be a public resources--"a little bit of Paris"--only to turn it into its own private religious preserve, complete with morality police.
Morrissey wrote:I'd have more sympathy if LDS Inc. had not used a bait and switch to purchase the property under the pretext that it would be a public resources--"a little bit of Paris"--only to turn it into its own private religious preserve, complete with morality police.
We'd rather have the kissing gays off our lawn then your sympathy.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo