What???????? Still here???

[_Doctor Scratch]

That's a very accusation comment, Scratch. I am sure you can provide references that I not only tried to sell "MormonsSuck.com" to the LDS Church, but that I even imagined that they would be interested in such a domain? Otherwise such an accusation could be actionable.

JMS

I didn't say that you "tried to sell" it to the LDS Church, jskains. You need to read my post more carefully, my friend.

[_Kishkumen]

1. Jskains was a gullible idiot and he bought into the FARMS authors' (esp. Louis Midgley's) assertions about the "Old Cash Nexus" and the silly and unsupportable claims about anti-Mormon ministries having a ton of money. For this to be true, though, it would mean that jskains had actually read through a whole article in FARMS Review, and since we know with virtual 100% certainty that he's never done such a thing, we can move on to conjecture 2, which is---

Huh. I suppose that might have been the case. But, jskains has never struck me as the type to familiarize himself with Emperor Lou's oeuvre.

More problematic still, however, is the suggestion that he would allow an anti-Mormon ministry to get ahold of such a domain name, when the right thing for an apologist to do would be to donate it to the LDS Church for free. This is very mysterious. And, what exactly would motivate an anti-Mormon ministry to buy up a domain name that would only expose them further to the charge of being grossly prejudiced against Mormons? I should think they would avoid that trap altogether.

2. He was trying to bilk the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints out of money. I suppose he could claim that he was doing the Church a "favor" by snagging the domain name, but if his intent really was purely charitable, you would have expected him to hand over the domain for free to either the Church or something like the More Good Foundation. (Gee, if he'd done that, maybe we wouldn't have gotten the cold shoulder after trying to volunteer w/ FAIR.) And that's not what he was doing. His calculus w/r/t to the site was done based on the price of homes in the tony La Jolla, CA area. So one gets the impression that jskains wanted the Church to buy him a huge, ritzy house in La Jolla.

It does look that way. And what does that say about his assumptions concerning the LDS Church and its use of tithing funds? I mean, clearly he must believe that the LDS Church is accustomed to shoveling out wads of cash to those who really help the Church out, like, say, its apologists. Does jskains agree that some professional LDS apologists are paid handsomely for their work? It would seem that he must.

[_jskains]

Wow! Talk about a victory for whoever this anti-LDS person was. I guess you didn't see through his ploy, eh? Lol!

Are you avoiding the call to reference? I would like to see a reference to the accusation that I tried to sell this domain to the LDS Church. Otherwise I think you owe me an apology.

JMS

[_Doctor Scratch]

I didn't say you "tried to sell" it to the LDS Church, jskains. I offered up 2 (well, 3, sort of) possibilities for what you might be up to.

That said, why didn't you offer to donate the domain to the Church?

[_jskains]

I didn't say you "tried to sell" it to the LDS Church, jskains. I offered up 2 (well, 3, sort of) possibilities for what you might be up to.

That said, why didn't you offer to donate the domain to the Church?

Why would they want it? Why would anyone want it? I just keep hold of it so it's one less ugly domain for someone to use to attack God's church.

And so I offered to sell it.. So what? I know people who sold "Jesus.com" for a very high price to someone else who wanted it.. Here in America we call that capitalism. I didn't force anyone, put a gun to someone's head or deceive anyone into buying it. I offered if someone wants to buy it and use it, I was willing to sell. I have since changed my mind and keep it for myself. If there is a crime in that, a lot of criminals have done some pretty bad things over almost 20 years the Internet has been popular.

JMS

[_Kishkumen]

And so I offered to sell it.. So what? I know people who sold "Jesus.com" for a very high price to someone else who wanted it.. Here in America we call that capitalism. I didn't force anyone, put a gun to someone's head or deceive anyone into buying it. I offered if someone wants to buy it and use it, I was willing to sell. I have since changed my mind and keep it for myself. If there is a crime in that, a lot of criminals have done some pretty bad things over almost 20 years the Internet has been popular.

Wow. That is a stunning admission! Jskains didn't care who took it off of his hands. He was in it for a buck! Geez. I thought this was bad, but I had no idea. If the LDS Church had contacted him looking to buy it, he would have let tithing funds of faithful members be used to buy him fancy digs in La Jolla.

Just when you think you've seen it all.

I'm surprised this guy even bothers with apologetics. He's a walking anti-Mormon sermon.

[_hatersinmyward]

the guy ruined lives to make money, he wants people to laugh at him, he thinks the joke is on us... he thinks he's gunal laugh all the way to the bank but can't let him. no.... i wont let that guy get away with it... he needs to be tarred and feathered. we have to take a stand.

[_Doctor Scratch]

I didn't say you "tried to sell" it to the LDS Church, jskains. I offered up 2 (well, 3, sort of) possibilities for what you might be up to.

That said, why didn't you offer to donate the domain to the Church?

Why would they want it?

In order to keep it out of the hands of anti-Mormons, perhaps?

Why would anyone want it? I just keep hold of it so it's one less ugly domain for someone to use to attack God's church.

And why wouldn't this be the Church's rationale as well?

And so I offered to sell it.. So what? I know people who sold "Jesus.com" for a very high price to someone else who wanted it.. Here in America we call that capitalism. I didn't force anyone, put a gun to someone's head or deceive anyone into buying it. I offered if someone wants to buy it and use it, I was willing to sell. I have since changed my mind and keep it for myself. If there is a crime in that, a lot of criminals have done some pretty bad things over almost 20 years the Internet has been popular.

If the Church offered to buy it, would you sell? Or, better yet: if you were asked by one of the Brethren to donate the site, would you do it? Or would you demand your fair share of "lucre"?

[_jskains]

If the Church offered to buy it, would you sell? Or, better yet: if you were asked by one of the Brethren to donate the site, would you do it? Or would you demand your fair share of "lucre"?

If the LDS Church itself asked for the domain, I would gladly hand it over. IMHO that is God's organization and I do not profit off of God.

JMS

[_Gadianton]

Would you feel comfortable estimating the value and counting it toward tithing? Case in point: Boyd K. Packer paying tithing with stock.