When will the LDS church grant women the priesthood?

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zeezrom wrote:MsJack,

I also think there are fundamental Mormon doctrinal issues blocking the road to female priesthood. The RLDS might be there in 10 years but they have the doctrinal liberties to pull it off.


What are you talking about? The RLDS (CoC) women do have the priesthood.
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Aristotle Smith wrote:What are you talking about? The RLDS (CoC) women do have the priesthood.

oh reeeeaaaally?

Obviously, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about! :)
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why me wrote:Never. What is amazing is just what exmos use to justify their exmo status. Women have power in the church. In fact, they have a lot of power in the home. Women are the watchperson of what comes into the home and what doesn't. They are the gatekeepers and occupy an important position in the family. They can also receive personal revelation in regards to the family.

If one does a random check as to whether or not women want the priesthood, most would say no. Why? Because of the responsibility having the priesthood entails.


So what you are saying is a woman's job is in the home, and they are happy with that.
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zeezrom ~ On the contrary, I think that Mormons have great doctrinal framework in place for empowering women. They have a teaching of a heavenly mother, which offers the hope of a pretty direct solution to the old problem of "If God is man, then man is God." They're also the only Judeo-Christian group I know of that sees Eve's transgression in the Garden of Eden as a good thing. Christianity has traditionally hung its unfavorable views of women and justifications for non-ordination on Eve's actions in Genesis. For Mormonism, that isn't a problem.

I don't agree with either of those doctrines, and in fact they're some of my least favorite teachings in Mormonism. But I can't deny that, from a feminist perspective, they have deep potential. That Mormons haven't even begun to scrape the surface of that potential and instead treat their women like any ol' hard complementarian Christian denomination is pretty disappointing.

All this is to say, I don't think it's doctrine that holds Mormons back from ordaining women. It's culture and tradition.
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MsJack wrote:All this is to say, I don't think it's doctrine that holds Mormons back from ordaining women. It's culture and tradition.


And masturbation. And probably porn. Maybe fear.
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What if a attractive woman was called to be bishop? Would it really be appropriate for walking pornography to preside over sacrament meeting? Also, the bishop presides over the priest's quorum. If the bishop is a walking pornography woman, it would get those priests all worked up and tempt them to masturbate. And what if the bishop has a PMS attack during one of her many meetings and starts lashing out at people? That would drive the spirit away. There are so many reasons a woman shouldn't hold the priesthood it is mind boggling.
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DarkHelmet wrote:What if a attractive woman was called to be bishop? Would it really be appropriate for walking pornography to preside over sacrament meeting? Also, the bishop presides over the priest's quorum. If the bishop is a walking pornography woman, it would get those priests all worked up and tempt them to masturbate. And what if the bishop has a PMS attack during one of her many meetings and starts lashing out at people? That would drive the spirit away. There are so many reasons a woman shouldn't hold the priesthood it is mind boggling.


Yeah, all of them buried deep inside old men's minds.
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DarkHelmet wrote:What if a attractive woman was called to be bishop? Would it really be appropriate for walking pornography to preside over sacrament meeting? Also, the bishop presides over the priest's quorum. If the bishop is a walking pornography woman, it would get those priests all worked up and tempt them to masturbate.


MsJack's pastor is "walking pornography." Maybe you should make a trip to where she goes to church and interview the male youth of the congregation, or at the very least make random inspections of the men's restroom.
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Aristotle Smith wrote:MsJack's pastor is "walking pornography." Maybe you should make a trip to where she goes to church and interview the male youth of the congregation, or at the very least make random inspections of the men's restroom.


I am never cleaning the bathrooms at the church again (not that I ever did anyway).
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Hmmm. MsJack, maybe you are on to something...

Here are the changes that need to be made to http://www.LDS.org on their Priesthood section (see bold additions and blue deletions). It doesn't look too difficult after all!
The priesthood is the eternal power and authority of God. Through the priesthood God created and governs the heavens and the earth. Through this power He and his wife redeems and exalts His children, bringing to pass “the immortality and eternal life of man” (Moses 1:39). God gives priesthood authority to worthy male and female members of the Church so they can act in His name for the salvation of His children. Priesthood holders can be authorized to preach the gospel, administer the ordinances of salvation, and govern the kingdom of God on the earth.

Additional Information
Male Members of the Church may begin their priesthood service when they reach the age of 12. They begin by holding the Aaronic Priesthood, and they later may qualify to have the Melchizedek Priesthood conferred on them. At different stages in their lives and as they prepare themselves to receive different responsibilities, they hold different offices in the priesthood, such as deacon, teacher, or priest in the Aaronic Priesthood and elder or high priest in the Melchizedek Priesthood.

For a male member of the Church to hold the priesthood, an authorized priesthood holder must confer it on him or her and ordain him to an office in that priesthood (see Hebrews 5:4; D&C 42:11; Articles of Faith 1:5).

Although the authority of the priesthood is bestowed only on worthy male adult members of the Church, the blessings of the priesthood are available to all—men, women, and children as well. We all benefit from the influence of righteous priesthood leadership, and we all have the privilege of receiving the saving ordinances of the priesthood.

The most important exercise of the priesthood takes place in the family. Each parent husband and father in the Church should strive to be worthy to hold the Melchizedek Priesthood. With his wife as an equal partner, he Both parents presides in righteousness and love, serving as the family's spiritual leaders. He They both leads the family in regular prayer, scripture study, and family home evening. He They both works with each other his wife to teach the children and help them prepare to receive the ordinances of salvation (see D&C 68:25-28). He They both gives priesthood blessings for direction, healing, and comfort.

Many Some members do not have faithful Melchizedek Priesthood holders in their homes. However, through the service of home/visiting teachers and priesthood leaders, all members of the Church can enjoy the blessings of priesthood power in their lives.

Priesthood Quorums

A priesthood quorum is an organized group of brethren members who hold the same priesthood office. The primary purposes of quorums are to serve others, build unity and brotherhood, and instruct one another in doctrines, principles, and duties.

Quorums exist at all levels of Church organization. The President of the Church and his counselors form the Quorum of the First Presidency. The Twelve Apostles also form a quorum. Seventies, both General Authorities and Area Authorities, are organized into quorums. Each stake president presides over a quorum of high priests, made up of all the high priests in the stake. Each ward or branch normally has quorums of elders, priests, teachers, and deacons. High priests are also organized in wards, serving in high priests groups.

Home/visiting Teaching

From the time priesthood holders are ordained to the office of teacher, they have the opportunity and responsibility to serve as home/visiting teachers. In this way they work toward fulfilling their duty to “watch over the church always, and be with and strengthen them” (D&C 20:53).

Home teachers have a sacred duty to be the Church's first source of help to individuals and families. They visit their assigned members at least monthly. In serving and visiting their assigned members, they support parents in their responsibilities, teach the gospel to each family member, nurture friendships, and help members prepare to receive temple ordinances and live worthy of the blessings of the gospel.

Leaders in wards and branches ensure that home teachers are assigned to each family or individual. They follow up with home teachers to help meet each member's spiritual and temporal needs.

Priesthood Keys

The exercise of priesthood authority in the Church is governed by those who hold priesthood keys (see D&C 65:2; 124:123). Those who hold priesthood keys have the right to preside over and direct the Church within a jurisdiction. For example, a bishop holds priesthood keys that enable her or him to preside in his ward. Therefore, when a child in that ward is prepared to be baptized, the person baptizing the child must receive authorization from the bishop.

Jesus Christ holds all the keys of the priesthood. He has given His Apostles the keys that are necessary for governing His Church. Only the senior Apostle, the President of the Church, may use (or authorize another person to use) these keys for governing the entire Church (see D&C 43:1-4; 81:2; 132:7).

The President of the Church delegates priesthood keys to other priesthood leaders so they can preside in their areas of responsibility. Priesthood keys are bestowed on presidents of temples, missions, stakes, and districts; bishops; branch presidents; and quorum presidents. A person who serves in one of these positions holds the keys only until he is released. Counselors do not receive keys, but they do receive authority and responsibility by calling and assignment.

Exercising the Priesthood Righteously

Priesthood holders must remember that the priesthood should be a part of them at all times and in all circumstances. It is not like a cloak that can be put on and taken off at will. Any ordination to a priesthood office is a call to lifelong service, with the promise that the Lord will qualify priesthood holders to do His work according to their faithfulness.

Priesthood holders must be worthy in order to receive and exercise priesthood power. The words they speak and their everyday behavior affect their ability to serve. Their behavior in public must be above reproach. Their behavior in private is even more important. Through the Prophet Joseph Smith, the Lord declared that “the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness” (D&C 121:36).

See also Aaronic Priesthood; Church Administration; Melchizedek Priesthood; Ordinances; Restoration of the Gospel

—See True to the Faith (2004), 124-28
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