Patriarchal gripe wrote:Jesus was married to the women according to LDS doctrine. I would want to meet my wife first after being resurrected.
Actually, it is not LDS doctrine. It is LDS speculation. There is no official LDS canon confirming this.
The speculation I agree with, however, is that Jesus and Mary Magdelene were married.
And yes, it does make sense that he would want to see her first.
The "no official LDS canon" speil is getting old, folks. If a profit speculated it, and published it in the church publications, it is as much "true" as anything they write in the Ensign today. True or false, black or white, right?
Orson Pratt The Seer p 159
"One thing is certain, that there were several holy women that greatly loved Jesus -- such as Mary, and Martha her sister, and Mary Magdalene; and Jesus greatly loved them, and associated with them much; and when He arose from the dead, instead of showing Himself to His chosen witnesses, the Apostles, He appeared first to these women, or at least to one of them -- namely, Mary Magdalene. Now it would be natural for a husband in the resurrection to appear first to his own dear wives, and afterwards show himself to his other friends. If all the acts of Jesus were written, we no doubt should learn that these beloved women were His wives"
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Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 13, p. 309
The Scripture says that He, the Lord, came walking in the Temple, with His train; I do not know who they were, unless His wives and children;
Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 259
It will be borne in mind that once on a time, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and on a careful reading of that transaction, it will be discovered that no less a person than Jesus on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha, and the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the best of it.
Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 210
I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children.
Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2 p. 210
Startle not at this! for even the Father himself honored that law by coming down to Mary, without a natural body, and begetting a son; and if Jesus begat children, he only "did that which he had seen his Father do."
Jedediah M. Grant, Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 346
The grand reason why the Gentiles and philosophers of his school persecuted Jesus Christ, was, because he had so many wives; there were Elizabeth, and Mary, and a host of others that followed him.
Orson Hyde Journal of Discourses v2 p81
"How was it with Mary and Martha, and other women that followed him [Jesus]? In old times, and it is common in this day, the women, even as Sarah, called their husbands Lord; the word Lord is tantamount to husband in some languages, master, lord, husband, are about synonymous... When Mary of old came to the sepulchre on the first day of the week, instead of finding Jesus she saw two angels in white, 'And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou?' She said unto them,' Because they have taken away my Lord,' or husband, 'and I know not where they have laid him.' And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away. Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.' Is there not here manifested the affections of a wife. These words speak the kindred ties and sympathies that are common to that relation of husband and wife"
Orson Hyde Journal of Discourses v2 p82
"Now there was actually a marriage; and if Jesus was not the bridegroom on that occasion, please tell who was. If any man can show this, and prove that it was not the Savior of the world, then I will acknowledge I am in error. We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into the relation whereby he could see his seed, before he was crucified"
Orson Pratt The Seer p 159
"One thing is certain, that there were several holy women that greatly loved Jesus -- such as Mary, and Martha her sister, and Mary Magdalene; and Jesus greatly loved them, and associated with them much; and when He arose from the dead, instead of showing Himself to His chosen witnesses, the Apostles, He appeared first to these women, or at least to one of them -- namely, Mary Magdalene. Now it would be natural for a husband in the resurrection to appear first to his own dear wives, and afterwards show himself to his other friends. If all the acts of Jesus were written, we no doubt should learn that these beloved women were His wives"
Joseph F. Smith Journal of Wilford Woodruff v8 p 187
"Evening Meeting. Prayer By E Stephenson. Joseph F Smith spoke One hour & 25 M. He spoke upon the Marriage in Cana at Galilee. He thought Jesus was the Bridgegroom and Mary & Martha the brides. He also refered to Luke 10 ch. 38 to 42 verse, Also John 11 ch. 2 & 5 vers John 12 Ch 3d vers, John 20 8 to 18. Joseph Smith spoke upon these passages to show that Mary & Martha manifested much Closer relationship than Merely A Believer which looks Consistet. He did not think that Jesus who decended throug Poligamous families from Abraham down & who fulfilled all the Law even baptism by immersion would have lived and died without being married."
Hoops wrote:How about to ensure that word got spread around a lot faster? Let's face facts, if a man were the first to see Him, it would be days and days before the man bothered to tell one of his buds. Probably over a beer or during the chariot races the next Sunday. But by appearing to the gals, it was for sure that word would get out in mere minutes, during coffee, or at the scroll club meeting, or yoga class.
I'm more that half joking, but not entirely joking. Women ARE more social than men (good for them, I say!!) and maybe Jesus was counting on that fact. He made them, after all.
In the earliest account, none of the women saw Jesus and none of them told anybody about the empty tomb.
Jersey Girl wrote:I don't know why only women were the first to see the resurrected Jesus, but I do like just me's take on that. We tend to look at the "scenes" in the Bible for deeper meaning, demonstration of a concept at work or life application.
I do want to say that the fact that women are reported to have been the first witnesses to the risen Christ, makes the account appear more credible.
In having only women witness the stone being rolled away, Matthew responds to the allegation that the disciples had come by night and stolen the body (Matthew 28:11-15).
Patriarchal gripe wrote:Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 259
It will be borne in mind that once on a time, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and on a careful reading of that transaction, it will be discovered that no less a person than Jesus on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha, and the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the best of it.
Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 210
I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children.
Jedediah M. Grant, Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 346
The grand reason why the Gentiles and philosophers of his school persecuted Jesus Christ, was, because he had so many wives; there were Elizabeth, and Mary, and a host of others that followed him.
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Thanks for the interesting quotes Pg. There is some evidence to suggest that Salome (present at the tomb in Mark's account) may have had some romantic relationship with Jesus.
Matthew and Luke may have deleted Salome because they identified her with the voluptuous girl who danced for her step-father, Herod Antipas, and requested the head of John the Baptist on a platter (Mark 6:21-25, Matthew 14:6-11). Josephus says that this Salome later married her grand-uncle, Philip the tetrarch, and after his death, Aristobulus of Lesser Armenia (Antiquities, XVIII, 5, 4). The Coptic Book of the Resurrection of Christ names the following women who went to the tomb: Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, Mary who ministered to him, Martha her sister, Joanna (Susanna) who renounced the marriage bed, and “Salome who tempted him”. In the Gospel of the Egyptians a certain Salome appears as a disciple of Jesus. According to the Gospel of Thomas, Salome and Mary Magdalene became the disciples of Jesus when they transcended their human nature and “became male”. Jesus shares Salome’s couch and during their discussion she declares “I am your disciple.”
This account is not what we would expect if it were being made up by a man.
(Unless, of course, the man had a certain point to make that is obscured by space and time.)
But I repeat again that, among all the inconsistencies in the gospel accounts of the resurrection, one of the few strands of agreement is that it was a woman (or women) who first encountered the risen Lord or received the angelic pronouncement of his resurrection.
This must mean something.
Is it possibly the second half of a book-end mirroring the angelic pronouncement of the Messiah's birth to another Mary?
(Of course, that would likely hold only for Luke.)
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
To everyone else, it is clear that those who loved Jesus in life continued to love Him in death. Jesus had obvious care for those close to Him. Just read the prayers and blessings for the Apostles in the Book of John.
This care did not end at His death. It isn't difficult to conceive having a concern that an empty tomb would cause great anxiety to those who found it empty. Why should the compassion of Jesus Christ in this matter be hard to grasp? He was there for the women who would find an empty tomb. Just as He is there for any who seek Him. Not so difficult to understand, and doesn't require any non-Christian ideas of hierarchy...who is entitled to see Christ Risen first? Seriously. No one is. Or speculations of Jesus being married (He wasn't).
Jesus acted entirely, and always, out of love. Accept and submit to God's Love, that is the call of a disciple of Christ.
Peace.
Being a Christian is not the result of an ethical choice or a lofty idea, but the encounter with an event, a person, which gives life a new horizon and a decisive direction -Pope Benedict XVI
liz3564 wrote:Like it or not...the Journal of Discourses is not official LDS canon.
Actually, I don't really care if it is canon. Neither is half the crap that makes up Mormon theology. Please point out the temple endowment or sealing in "official LDS canon". Does that mean it doesn't apply to LDS beliefs or practice?
Personally, I don't think Jesus was married to any of the women of the New Testament. If he was married (if he was an actual historical figure) he was married as a young man, probably before he was 20 years old.
But to say that the JoD can be dismissed out of hand is as absurd as advising members today to disregard all that is said in General Conference and published in the Ensign.
The blackhaired one may be Japan or Hawaian. We don't see her eyes.
Where are the negro ones?
Or the hispanic?
Or the other asians? Shades???
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
