Another blow to the Book of Mormon

[_Gadianton]

NOTHING can disprove by TBM standards because it's true because it is. Also, while revelation can plug all holes, it's the old Book of Moses paradox; why even worry about keeping plates and parchments when you can just get the revelation?

Yup, and NOTHING can prove the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon to critics and anti-Mormons.

So where do we stand?

Is it gridlock?

Kind of like, We'll never convince Al Queda that they are wrong, and Al Queda will never convert the rest of the planet, so i guess it's a wash?

But,i can be convinced the Book of Mormon is history. If the academic community comes to accept the places in the book are real, as the academic community came to believe Troy was real, then I will accept it too.

[_The Nehor]

But,i can be convinced the Book of Mormon is history. If the academic community comes to accept the places in the book are real, as the academic community came to believe Troy was real, then I will accept it too.

So you are a conformist? Got it.

[_Hoops]

I know many of what you define as Christians that would disagree with you that the Bible can have any inaccuracies. I have heard many, many Baptists for example say that the Bible is absolutely correct and contains no inaccuracies.

I used to live in the South, where there are plenty of Baptists, and I never, ever heard this. But we won't quibble.

Their justification for that is much like the Mormon church's justification: why would God allow a flawed document to be written when it's within his power to create a perfect document?

You're lost in your own language here. Perfect for what?

So, both Christians and Mormons (an artificial distinction -- but a topic for another time

) Acritical and important distinction.

[_keithb]

your talking with a ex-mormon and i know what we do. and i know what you just did. If you can't defend the LDS scripture attack the Bible. you could not answer the question, so you had to move to something that has evidence, the Bible. Give me one, just one, evidence of the Book of Mormon and i will bow down to Joseph smith. What you don't realize is LDS has put it in the odd position of eternal truths revealed through the prophets. Baptist, Presbyterians, we are water and oil. What kind of Mormon would depend on a baptist account when we know as LDS that those baptist are outside of the true church. The only reason a Mormon would grab hold of a baptist is because they are desperate. they can't answer their own scripture, they must grab hold of something that might have substance. I know what your doing, and I know you have no evidence. The best thing a Mormon could do is to say, "we don't care about evidence, our burning in the bosom is enough" Give me that Mormon, and you will give me the only true Mormon.

I don't care about defending Mormon scripture. It's not worth defending any more than the Popol Vuh is worth defending. However, I was just pointing out the fact that many or most of the criticisms that could be used to shoot down the Book of Mormon also can be used to shoot down the Bible. There is nothing especially compelling about the general myths of Christianity versus the specific myths of the Mormon version of Christianity.

[_keithb]

I used to live in the South, where there are plenty of Baptists, and I never, ever heard this. But we won't quibble.

You lived in the South and NEVER heard this? Huh.

You didn't get out much I take it?

You're lost in your own language here. Perfect for what?

Somehow, I think that you understand what the word perfect means, even in this context. I have a feeling that you're trying to be obtuse for the sake of obtuseness in this case.

Acritical and important distinction.

Again, it's an artificial distinction.

Real Norsemen believe that Thor had a black hammer. It's only the apostate Norsemen that believe Thor had a white hammer.

And so the debate goes on ....

[_Hoops]

You lived in the South and NEVER heard this? Huh.
You didn't get out much I take it?

Perhaps not. I was quite busy.

Somehow, I think that you understand what the word perfect means, even in this context. I have a feeling that you're trying to be obtuse for the sake of obtuseness in this case.

NOt at all. You made the claim that they said this (which I've disputed), so one would assume that you know what they might mean by this. So, what do they mean? And, assuming you actually do know what they mean by this, so what? What's your point?

Again, it's an artificial distinction.

Not hardly. It's a very real and quantifiable distinction. Just because you say it's artificial doesn't make it so.

[_keithb]

You lived in the South and NEVER heard this? Huh.
You didn't get out much I take it?

Perhaps not. I was quite busy.

Somehow, I think that you understand what the word perfect means, even in this context. I have a feeling that you're trying to be obtuse for the sake of obtuseness in this case.

NOt at all. You made the claim that they said this (which I've disputed), so one would assume that you know what they might mean by this. So, what do they mean? And, assuming you actually do know what they mean by this, so what? What's your point?

Again, it's an artificial distinction.

Not hardly. It's a very real and quantifiable distinction. Just because you say it's artificial doesn't make it so.

We have a whole thread devoted to the idea of whether or not Mormons are Christians, so I won't go into it too much here. Suffice it to say that it's an artificial distinction at the very least because there is nobody out there qualified to say who is a true Christian and who is not.

[_Nightlion]

John 14: 26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


I hope this will silence all the tabloid critics.

Now about who can say who is a true Christian or not.
I can. Only those truly visited of God and wrought upon by the baptism in the name of Jesus of fire and of the Holy Ghost are true Christians.

In forty years I have never met another Christian. You have no clue how. Pretend all you like. Or you can ask. Meekly would be nice.

[_DarkHelmet]

John 14: 26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


I hope this will silence all the tabloid critics.

Now about who can say who is a true Christian or not.
I can. Only those truly visited of God and wrought upon by the baptism in the name of Jesus of fire and of the Holy Ghost are true Christians.

In forty years I have never met another Christian. You have no clue how. Pretend all you like. Or you can ask. Meekly would be nice.

you were visited by God? Did he tell you that all religions are corrupt and you need to start a new church?

[_Nightlion]

John 14: 26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


I hope this will silence all the tabloid critics.

Now about who can say who is a true Christian or not.
I can. Only those truly visited of God and wrought upon by the baptism in the name of Jesus of fire and of the Holy Ghost are true Christians.

In forty years I have never met another Christian. You have no clue how. Pretend all you like. Or you can ask. Meekly would be nice.

you were visited by God? Did he tell you that all religions are corrupt and you need to start a new church?

I was visited of God, though not gifted to see God as did Joseph Smith.
The Lord is loathe to do things with men identically each time. Those who imitate Joseph by pretending to bring forth hidden revelation are blasted as false prophets whom the world never fears.

This singular event with me perpetuated (salvaged from the seed of the Restoration) the ONLY true church while at the same time fixed that which the Gentiles could sin against (me) to cast out the righteous and be counted among the whore of all the earth, finishing the LDS apostasy, becoming an utter abomination. By the presence of the unfolding of The Apocalrock the LDS Church is rejected utterly, having prepared this judgment from the foundation of the world, by the foreknowledge of God, lifted up in the eyes of all the people, and all nations of the whole earth, beginning at this (the LDS) house. The first judgment of the end of the world as we know it. Bringing to a formal close the days of the Gentiles. (See 3 Nephi 16)

From this little stone, (me) cut out of the mountain, (LDS authority) without hands, by my having been drawn to receive all things of God and not of man, even an holy apostleship, shall a kingdom grow up that shall never fall or be given to another people. The Apocalrock is the sign and symbol of what has been done among men in plain sight and they knew it not. A kingdom commenced, as it were, by the word of his power, which is how all eternal things are made.

Forty years of striving to have it otherwise has proven fruitless. The times they are a changin'