Monson uses 9/11 to berate Americans

[_DarkHelmet]

So you both are making qualitative judgements. How do you arrive at these conclusions?

W.T.F.???

[_angsty]

So you both are making qualitative judgements. How do you arrive at these conclusions?

I base my judgment on the fact that it would not be reasonable to assume criminal or moral misconduct where there is no evidence for such. If you can make a case that most normal people are worthy of death due to criminal or moral flaw, I'd love to see it. Otherwise, without any evidence, we aren't justified in assuming that any or all of the victims of 9/11 must have had some great moral flaw that warranted their demise.

[_DarkHelmet]

So you both are making qualitative judgements. How do you arrive at these conclusions?

Answer: neither of us are incredible dicks.

Hoops should join up with the Westboro Baptists. I can see her picketing the 10th anniversary events with her homemade sign that reads "God Hates People who worked at the WTC, NY Firefighters, NY Police Officeres, Pentagon workers, and people who ride on planes."

[_DarkHelmet]

I'm unclear about the logic and reasoning that would have caused someone to become more faithful as a result of the attacks on 9/11/01. What about the murder of all of those people makes one think: "Hmmm... you know what? I really should be worshipping god more?" I don't get it. I was a fully believing and faithful Mormon on that day. I don't ever recall thinking that. It makes no sense to me.

It did nothing for me either, but I can understand how it might make people more faithful or even the opposite. I could imagine seeing innocent people killed in the name of god could cause people to lose tier faith. At the same time, watching such horrific events and innocent people having their lives suddenly cut short can make people understand how fragile our mortality is, and we need to find deeper meaning because it could all end suddenly some day.

[_stemelbow]

I'm unclear about the logic and reasoning that would have caused someone to become more faithful as a result of the attacks on 9/11/01.

Its not that people looked to God based on logic and reasoning. They just did. People turn to God often in times of tragedy. That's what he's saying.

What about the murder of all of those people makes one think: "Hmmm... you know what? I really should be worshipping god more?" I don't get it. I was a fully believing and faithful Mormon on that day. I don't ever recall thinking that. It makes no sense to me.

"We felt the great unsteadiness of life and reached for the great steadiness of our Father in Heaven"

Its just how it works.

[_Chap]

It would be nice if God would have protected all those innocent people 10 years ago. Then he wouldn't have had to go through the trouble of comforting us.

Innocent of what?

This is false-naive stuff. Of course Buffalo knows damn' well that there can have been very few of the thousands of dead who were innocent in the sense that they had never done anything reprehensible in their lives, and some few of them no doubt had done some really bad things.

But do you disagree that it is overwhelmingly unlikely that any significant proportion of those who died in horrible circumstances on that day (burned, crushed, choked by smoke and dust ...) had committed any act that even the most severe human tribunal of justice in a civilized country would have punished by such a death?

Well do you disagree?

Notice I am referring to human tribunals of justice, not divine ones.

[_EAllusion]

The word that comes to my mind about this editorial is meaningless. The general jist I got was that God is really, really faithful to us, and we're ungrateful brats for not being comensurately faithful to Him. But really--what's he talking about? In what tangible way has God been faithful to us? I have no idea what Monson is talking about here. Does he mean God has been faithful to his promise of not drowning us all?

[_Hoops]

So you both are making qualitative judgements. How do you arrive at these conclusions?

Answer: neither of us are incredible dicks.

I'm sure there are plenty who could testify otherwise.

[_Hoops]

This is false-naïve stuff.

It certainly is.

Of course Buffalo knows damn' well

One wonders what Buffalo actually does know.

that there can have been very few of the thousands of dead who were innocent in the sense that they had never done anything reprehensible in their lives, and some few of them no doubt had done some really bad things.

Just like the rest of us.

But do you disagree that it is overwhelmingly unlikely that any significant proportion of those who died in horrible circumstances on that day (burned, crushed, choked by smoke and dust ...) had committed any act that even the most severe human tribunal of justice in a civilized country would have punished by such a death?

Well do you disagree?

Notice I am referring to human tribunals of justice, not divine ones.

I'm not the one that wans to lay the blame on some sort of Godly malfeasance. Take it up with Buffalo. He seems to understand cosmic justice.

[_Buffalo]

I'm sure there are plenty who could testify otherwise.

You'd have to be an incredible dick to say the 9/11 victims had it coming. Is that where you're going with this, Fred Phelps?