Darth J wrote:Jersey Girl, your frustration stems from your assumption that Droopy bases his political beliefs and personal value judgments on his belief in Mormonism. It is the other way around. Droopy bases his interpretation of Mormonism on his a priori political beliefs and personal value judgments.
PLEASE do not attempt to tell me what the source of my own frustration is DJ. Who the hell do you think you are using me to attack Droopy?
Buzz off or find some other willing accomplice.
The source of my frustration, having known Droopy for approximately 7-8 years has not a damn thing to do with Mormonism.
Please don't do that again.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Do you dispute that the Book of Mormon says that the Lamanites were given a dark skin because they rejected God, or that the Book of Abraham teaches that "Pharaoh" was of the lineage that could not hold the priesthood?
Nope. But as this has nothing to do with "race," in any modern sense of the term, the point is moot.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
Darth J wrote:Well said, Droopy. Once I follow your comprehensive program of divorcing fact from assertion and evidence from treating value judgments as objective fact, I will be well on my way to "recovery" as you conceive it.
All it would take is sincere repentance, but in that case, your entire worldview would have to collapse, and I understand that is a hard undertaking. I've had to do a bit of it myself in my life as a Latter day Saint.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
With regard to the story mentioned in the OP. I asked you these two questions previously without response from you.
Why is this story being used in church? What is the intended message or teaching of this story?
Jersey Girl
1. Because some people don't understand, and take a very uncritical attitude towards their own church's teachings.
2. Apparently, that at some point in the Latter Days, some among the Laminates would, through intermarriage brought about by acceptance of the gospel and cultural interaction, return to, or very close to, the appearance their ancestors had when they first arrived on the American continent.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
With regard to the story mentioned in the OP. I asked you these two questions previously without response from you.
Why is this story being used in church? What is the intended message or teaching of this story?
Jersey Girl
1. Because some people don't understand, and take a very uncritical attitude towards their own church's teachings.
2. Apparently, that at some point in the Latter Days, some among the Laminates would, through intermarriage brought about by acceptance of the gospel and cultural interaction, return to, or very close to, the appearance their ancestors had when they first arrived on the American continent.
Thankyoudamnit.
:-D
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Darth J wrote:Well said, Droopy. Once I follow your comprehensive program of divorcing fact from assertion and evidence from treating value judgments as objective fact, I will be well on my way to "recovery" as you conceive it.
All it would take is sincere repentance, but in that case, your entire worldview would have to collapse, and I understand that is a hard undertaking. I've had to do a bit of it myself in my life as a Latter day Saint.
What is my worldview, Droopy?
Please limit your response to things I have really said.
Do you dispute that the Book of Mormon says that the Lamanites were given a dark skin because they rejected God, or that the Book of Abraham teaches that "Pharaoh" was of the lineage that could not hold the priesthood?
Nope. But as this has nothing to do with "race," in any modern sense of the term, the point is moot.
Oh, I completely agree that Joseph Smith---and hence the various sects of Mormonism professing his name---had a very primitive, uninformed concept of race.
Droopy wrote:What's really sickening, ad infinitum, is the nauseating leftist psuodo-moral grandstanding people like Justme, who appear to have no actual moral values at all worth holding, in a personal sense, trot out in public when they want to bask in their own politically correct self righteousness.
Sick indeed, as well as delusional.
I consider that a personal attack. My personal values are honesty and love.....try them sometime.
Sweetie, it's not a personal attack. It's a call for love.
I'm not sure if he's calling you a liar or if he's criticizing you for passing along an embarrassing story, the kind of thinking that perhaps some or many Mormons have evolved past, but either way he's saying something about himself, not you.
The person who is certain and who claims divine warrant for his certainty belongs now to the infancy of our species. Christopher Hitchens
Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions. Frater
Just for the record, I'm not racist anymore. I've had sex with a Chinese guy -- so that counts for something. And, I've kissed a few black guys at the club -- one last night on the bare shoulder.
I feel as comfortable with blacks as I do whites. Never thought that would happen. But it did.
Old Mormonism from Brigham Young is totally racist. New Mormonism is cut from the same cloth.
Oh my, the church is so untrue. I'm grateful to know that.