My personal opinion of Prof. Daniel Peterson of BYU

[_Kishkumen]

Go back a few years, when you were more objective. I'll always admire you for that. Where has your objectivity gone? It seems like the "Exmos" are tilting you more and more to their dogmas, and their intolerance of anything that doesn't fit their preconceived dogmas.

Ray, what you are saying makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I am probably more pro-LDS than I have been since the year 2000. I am more at peace with it all than I was when I was attending post-2000. My perspective on it all has changed for the better. I don't adhere to "ex-Mo dogmas," as you call them. In fact, this past Sunday I attended the three hour block with my kids and had a great time. It was nice to sing the hymns again, especially. I am not a huge fan of some apologetics, but in that I am little different from many of my intelligent, faithful LDS friends. But I don't really spend much time on that either. The regular conversations on Mormonism I have are with Don Bradley, who would gladly tell you that our exchanges on the subject are very positive and uplifting.

So please, refrain from talking out of your ass on this. It is really sad that you have let what I feel is my desire to stick up for my friend Liz send you on some fanciful leap like this. You should know not to confuse DCP with Mormonism as a whole. My disappointment over the implosion of the Cafeteria board and his role in it is not evidence of where I am on Mormonism. I probably contribute more that is positive to Mormonism than you do with your bilious posting in the supposed defense of Mormonism and DCP. Unless you have returned to full activity, and then I would be wrong.

[_karl61]

I think it's bizarre Mr. Daheshist said he used another guy for his own political purpose.

Good Doctor:


Honesty after the fact takes courage if it cast the person revealing it in a negative light. It may sound bizzare because it is truth which at times is more interesting than myth.

very respectfully,

karl61

[_RayAgostini]

Hey Ray, what do you think of this website?

I've seen it, but I've never contributed, and never will.

[_RayAgostini]

So please, refrain from talking out of your ass on this. It is really sad that you have let what I feel is my desire to stick up for my friend Liz send you on some fanciful leap like this. You should know not to confuse DCP with Mormonism as a whole. My disappointment over the implosion of the Cafeteria board and his role in it is not evidence of where I am on Mormonism. I probably contribute more that is positive to Mormonism than you do with your bilious posting in the supposed defense of Mormonism and DCP. Unless you have returned to full activity, and then I would be wrong.

You've lost me on that one, Kish. What Liz has to do with this, I don't know.

No, I'm not active in the Church, and never will be again. If you wish to return, then I wish you the best. One "symptom" of many here is that they are in the same position you are. Active, less-active, or are in some sense still believers, yet the atmosphere here seems to just poison them.

Have a great day, Kish.

[_Kishkumen]

You've lost me on that one, Kish. What Liz has to do with this, I don't know.

I've lost you? I have no idea what you are on about and you have left me with no option but guessing. Whose fault is that?

One "symptom" of many here is that they are in the same position you are. Active, less-active, or are in some sense still believers, yet the atmosphere here seems to just poison them.

In my experience, online discussions of religion and politics are heated and intense. I don't see how this place is special in that regard. If you don't like that, don't participate. The choice is yours.

[_RayAgostini]

In my experience, online discussions of religion and politics are heated and intense. I don't see how this place is special in that regard. If you don't like that, don't participate. The choice is yours.

I'll participate when I feel it necessary, which won't be much, other than making a few points I feel should be made. I won't be going back to MDDB either. Later I'll give a more lengthy reply on the other thread.

Yes, I know religion and politics can be intense. One of my Facebook friends is a Federal politician (local member in my area). I felt something should be done in our area about night time violence, so I posted to his wall asking him what he was going to do about it. Not sure if he appreciated that, but I don't think so. I have a habit of sometimes "speaking out of my ass" and offending people, but only when I think something needs to be done.

[_Kishkumen]

In this case it might help if you make your purpose clear.

[_RayAgostini]

In this case it might help if you make your purpose clear.

I'll make it clearer, later. In the other thread.

[_Tarski]

As weird as this OP is, I would say that this part is a real keeper:

"Foundation for the Acquisition of Rich Mormon’s Savings"

People get rich of their contributions to FARMS? Come on, Kish. You should know better than that.

LOL.
All of this because you don't understand the english??

Who implied that "People get rich of [sic] their contributions to FARMS"??
The joke is opposite if anything! Let me translate:

"Foundation for the Acquisition of Rich Mormon’s Savings" = The foundation acquires money from rich Mormons.

It is not implied that anyone gets rich. If anything it is the opposite since the rich contribute away there savings. Of course, it is just a joke anyway Ray.

I notice that when you are on the pro-Mormon half of your weird cycle you are much more angry. I wonder what that means (which side is really the dark side)?

By the way, you might want to consider what those apologists you admire so much may have said about you while you were on the other half of your cycle. At least everything I say about you to others (which isn't much), I also say directly to you in some form or another.

[_RayAgostini]

By the way, you might want to consider what those apologists you admire so much may have said about you while you were on the other half of your cycle. At least everything I say about you to others (which isn't much), I also say directly to you in some form or another.

Obviously the "joke" is on me, because truth be told I have few Mormon cyber friends (in real life, one or two). You must mean what they are still saying about me. Do you think I'm welcome on MDDB? Think again. Even if I was, I wouldn't post there. Mormons are not rushing to win my friendship, and I'm not cutting my wrist over it. You must think I'm naïve, obviously.