brade wrote:Ok, but so what? If it's not useful to argue that, or you sincerely don't think it's true, then, in a case like this, what does it matter that it's a possibility? It's a possibility that lots of very crazy and unintuitive things are true. There are possible worlds where I am at this moment riding a velociraptor to a chemistry class.
That's what I'm saying, it doesn't matter that its a possibility. There's not much point in exploring that argument, I don't think.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
Darth J wrote:Your insistence that whatever Joseph Smith did, he was still a prophet (we're not a cult!) says pretty much everything that anyone needs to know about your metaethics.
The most adorable part of your trollish game, DJ, is you continue to make up claims attribute them to me and whimper and whine about me for these strawmen. Oh yes, even the hostile can be adorable.
That's long been your position, Stem. I'm disappointed in the quality of your posts, lately. It seems you're more interested in bickering than in honest debate. What happened?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Buffalo wrote:That's long been your position, Stem. I'm disappointed in the quality of your posts, lately. It seems you're more interested in bickering than in honest debate. What happened?
I'll clarify my position, Buffalo. I understand you and DJ have missed it. I do not insist that it doesn't matter what Joseph Smith did he is still a prophet.
Hope that helps.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
brade wrote:Ok, but so what? If it's not useful to argue that, or you sincerely don't think it's true, then, in a case like this, what does it matter that it's a possibility? It's a possibility that lots of very crazy and unintuitive things are true. There are possible worlds where I am at this moment riding a velociraptor to a chemistry class.
That's what I'm saying, it doesn't matter that its a possibility. There's not much point in exploring that argument, I don't think.
Darth J wrote:Your insistence that whatever Joseph Smith did, he was still a prophet (we're not a cult!) says pretty much everything that anyone needs to know about your metaethics.
The most adorable part of your trollish game, DJ, is you continue to make up claims attribute them to me and whimper and whine about me for these strawmen. Oh yes, even the hostile can be adorable.
Stemelbow wrote: We can scrutinize this till our face turns blue, i suppose. In the end you may be right. But that really is beside the question of whether Joseph Smith could be a prophet and still have sinned. Your argument here would have to be that since Joseph Smith didn’t follow certain instructions given in D&C 132 then he couldn’t have been a prophet. I don’t see a reason to buy into that. For me its obvious people can still sin and be a prophet. ..........
I just can’t agree with your far more hard-lined and legalistic reading of these passages, DJ. I wish I could so we wouldn’t quibble about these details, but I can’t. There is no indication in D&C 3 nor in D&C 121 that suggest that if a person sins they will lose their authority and power. You are reading these too literally. You need to open up a little and realize each and every person sins, so it can’t be that restrictive. It simply can’t be for believers. It wouldn’t make sense when applied to reality.
Buffalo wrote:That's long been your position, Stem. I'm disappointed in the quality of your posts, lately. It seems you're more interested in bickering than in honest debate. What happened?
I'll clarify my position, Buffalo. I understand you and DJ have missed it. I do not insist that it doesn't matter what Joseph Smith did he is still a prophet.
Hope that helps.
So far that HAS been your position when confronted with any number of inconsistent and downright offensive things Joseph said. What would Joseph have to say for you to think he wasn't a prophet, then?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Buffalo wrote:That's long been your position, Stem. I'm disappointed in the quality of your posts, lately. It seems you're more interested in bickering than in honest debate. What happened?
The same thing that happened to Simon Belmont. It's what happens when you think you're going to come to this board and rebuke the critics like Nephi using the Force to rebuke Laman and Lemuel
except that all you've got is "Nuh-uh!!!" and increasing the noise to signal ratio.
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Darth J wrote:To be fair, though, I really can't refute Stemelbow's point that LDS scriptures wouldn't make sense when applied to reality.
And to be fair to insist that a prophet is also a mortal man prone to error and sin is not insisting that it doesn't matter what Joseph Smith did he is still a prophet.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
Darth J wrote:To be fair, though, I really can't refute Stemelbow's point that LDS scriptures wouldn't make sense when applied to reality.
And to be fair to insist that a prophet is also a mortal man prone to error and sin is not insisting that it doesn't matter what Joseph Smith did he is still a prophet.
Look, if you don't like what Jesus said in the D&C, take it up with Him.
We now return to your regularly scheduled tactic of refuting a point by confirming it, already in progress.
Buffalo wrote:So far that HAS been your position when confronted with any number of inconsistent and downright offensive things Joseph said. What would Joseph have to say for you to think he wasn't a prophet, then?
Just because I don't insist that Joseph Smith's claim to being a prophet is not true because he sinned, does not mean I think he should be allowed to do anything, nor that all that he did is easily forgivable, prophet-like, nor anything of the sort.
DJ wrote:It's what happens when you think you're going to come to this board and rebuke the critics like Nephi using the Force to rebuke Laman and Lemuel
The strawmen just keep coming.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
