Why Are Leftists/Apostates Obsessed with Masturbation?

[_Droopy]

Why are the General Authorities obsessed with masturbation?

CFR?

[_Buffalo]

Why are the General Authorities obsessed with masturbation?

CFR?

[_Chap]

1. Because after leaving the CoJCoLDS they realize how completely bizarre all this seems to those who do not know their former religion from the inside. Personally, I was particularly astonished to hear that if my daughter had been brought up LDS, she might in her early teens have been in a room alone with an adult male authority figure who asked her what she did with herself in her privacy. Yuk.

Yes, standard, formatted, Oprahfied, pop psychological bosh. All adult male authority figures are incipient sexual predators of children and latent rapists. Since all conceivable human sexual expression is possible, all conceivable human sexual expression is acceptable. What is psychologically/physiologically possible (natural) has, looking no farther than at what human beings can conceive and do, no moral qualities or implications.

Standard sexual revolution ideology left over from the era of Kinsey and Hefner.

Er, no. As it happens I am a rather conservatively minded person in the standards I prefer my children to observe. Partly for that reason, I find it improper that anyone but their parents should talk to them about such matters on a personal and intimate level in early adolescence, especially not a man in the case of a daughter, and especially not in private.

I suspect that the majority of (let at least say us say non-Catholic) fathers have felt that way for some centuries. There was no need to wait for Kinsey.

But I am happy to believe that if you had a daughter you would genuinely think that your LDS bishop interviewing her in this way would be a good thing. I do not think you mean any harm, even if (as I suspect) the great majority of fathers reading this will take my view on the matter, and find your way of thinking bizarre.

[_Buffalo]

Yes, standard, formatted, Oprahfied, pop psychological bosh. All adult male authority figures are incipient sexual predators of children and latent rapists. Since all conceivable human sexual expression is possible, all conceivable human sexual expression is acceptable. What is psychologically/physiologically possible (natural) has, looking no farther than at what human beings can conceive and do, no moral qualities or implications.

Standard sexual revolution ideology left over from the era of Kinsey and Hefner.

Up until the 1950s, you could be a Mormon in good standing and masturbate twice a day every day if you so chose. :)

[_Zelder]

[quote="bcspace"]

I can honestly say I've never been asked if I have in any priesthood interview, bishop or stake pres. or mission pres. or higher. That would be since the 1970's when I had my first such interviews.
[quote]

That didn't answer my question. I can see by the way you respond and also the way you treat others in regards to this subject that you harbor a lot of guilt and shame.

[_Buffalo]

I wonder how Droopy or BCspace would feel if the middle school principal took their daughters alone into a private room, closed the door, and started asking them if they masturbate. Or if they've ever had sex with animals.

[_zeezrom]

On a serious note, the freedom to masturbate and talk about that freedom is both actual and symbolic. Any organization that attempts to control such a private act is an organization that is attempting to control in general. Taking back that freedom is empowerment.

There was a time in my life that I thought I would bury this subject deep in the ground and cover it with a layer of solid lead. I never, ever, in a million years, thought I would ever tell anyone I did it. It was a shameful aspect of my life. The shame is gone finally. It is beautiful freedom! Funny thing is, the whole practice is not very interesting to me anymore. LOL. There are other things of way more interest and these involve another person in my life and the clothes she wears.

[_zeezrom]

I"m not "obsessed" with anything. I have core concerns with I think need a great deal of discussion, debate, and fleshing out.

What about your coolness. Are you obsessed with that?

[_Runtu]

I"m not "obsessed" with anything. I have core concerns with I think need a great deal of discussion, debate, and fleshing out.

Some of us have core concerns about the church's teachings on sexuality. That we talk about them less than you talk about politics suggests that "obsession" is the wrong word.

Oh pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeese...

In the name of Oprah, Maury, and the Sally Jesse, amen.

This is the guy who got horribly offended because I once used the f-word.

Yes, Droopy, I think the church's teachings about sexuality damaged me and others. You are not me, so you don't know. If all you can do is sneer like this, I'll just quote Alexander Turner: "Perhaps “F” off would be too kind."

[_Darth J]

In LDS theology, masturbation, as with all sexual expression outside of the boundaries of lawful marriage, is an impediment to the purification and sanctification of the soul that is required for our salvation and exaltation. It is a barrier to our ultimate happiness and the fulfilling of our potential. Hence, it is a feature of any interview between a ecclesiastical leader and anyone within the range of their authority, especially when worthiness for church callings, priesthood ordination, or Temple worship is in question.

Get over it.

And hooray for ipse dixit. However, a subject's place "in LDS theology" does not make it objectively true, or make it even reasonable or plausible. "LDS theology" also holds that the human race began with two people in Missouri circa 6,000 B.C.E. "LDS theology" also holds that the entire planet was covered with water a few thousand years ago, and that all human and animal life that now exists descended from the refugees on Noah's ark. "LDS theology" also holds that the origin of different languages in the world is God confusing people's speech at the tower of Babel. "LDS theology" also held, for 148 of its 181 years of existence, that Negroes were inferior to every other race on Earth. And so on.

So maybe the Church sanctifying old wive's tales and discredited psychological theories isn't all that impressive. I never cease to be impressed by how you alternate between claiming to embrace legitimate scholarship and studies, but then reject it as agenda-driven and "leftist," depending on whether you perceive such things as supporting your value judgments. Despite your references to "pop psychology," the scientific view that masturbation is normal and healthy is real psychology.

E.g.,

http://www.merckmanuals.com/professiona ... avior.html

Once widely regarded as a perversion and a cause of mental disorders, masturbation is now recognized as a normal sexual activity throughout life. It is considered abnormal only when it inhibits partner-oriented behavior, is done in public, or is sufficiently compulsive to cause distress. About 97% of males and 80% of females masturbate. Although masturbation is harmless, guilt created by the disapproval and punitive attitudes of other people may cause considerable distress and impair sexual performance. Masturbation often continues at some level even in a sexually healthy relationship.

And Droopy, it really isn't a manifestation of an anti-Mormon or "leftist" agenda for normal people to find it extremely creepy for a middle-aged man to take a teenager into a closed office for a session of truth-or-dare.