Current LDS Apologetic position on Native Americans pre-Lehi

[_DarkHelmet]

So far on this thread, the list of "uneducated" members include:

Bruce R. McConkie
George Reynolds
Gordon B. Hinckley

I'm sure we've just scratched the surface. With a membership of 14 million, there must be literally millions of "uneducated" members.

[_Buffalo]

The GA's have pretty much wised up to this, which is why you can almost never find a Monson quote on anything of substance. But it's still fun to watch folks like ldsfaq get his knickers in a twist trying to reconcile the scriptures and words of the prophets with, you know, facts and stuff.

Seriously! All he does is make up little Hallmark card quips - the sort that sound nice, mean very little, and tend to get forwarded to you by your aunts and sisters.

[_DarkHelmet]

Even Jesus believed in the Noah story.

Luke 17:26

26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

So the list of uneducated Mormons who are not as smart as ldsfaqs is:

George Reynolds
Bruce R. McConkie
Gordon B. Hinckley
Jesus H. Christ

[_Buffalo]

Even Jesus believed in the Noah story.

Luke 17:26

26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

So the list of uneducated Mormons who are not as smart as ldsfaqs is:

George Reynolds
Bruce R. McConkie
Gordon B. Hinckley
Jesus H. Christ

Yup. When I was a liberal Mormon that one always gave me trouble. It troubles me no longer. :)

[_ldsfaqs]

"After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are the principal ancestors of the American Indians" From the introduction of the 1981 version of the Book of Mormon.

That's right, and Lamanites were primarily EVERYONE Non-Nephite...... They are the Gentiles of the Book of Mormon. There were not simply only those descended from Laman/Lemual.

[_ldsfaqs]

The more I read the apologists the more certain I become that:
1. The post Mormons take the teachings of the prophets and scriptures at face value, and reject them for their absurdity.
2. The tbm apologists do not believe the scriptures or prophets, but rahther revise, warp, and rationalize , in order to get the blatant inconsistencies of what comes out of the prophets' mouths and out of scripture to correlate with observable reality.

Which is actually more apostate?

Did you ever consider that there is a third option.....?

That your "face value" wasn't actually the whole truth, and your OWN ignorance resulted in your judgments to then leave the Church?

We LDS Apologists believe everything the Church teaches. There is nothing in conflict with us and the Church. YOU think there is, because you never actually knew the Church in the first place, and/or you forgot.

We see these facts every day with you people. Further, those of us who have also left the Church and become anti-mormon and anti-religion, KNOW FOR SURE how you think, and how it's flawed. You can't fool me.....

[_ldsfaqs]

Hmmm...

If the current apologeriatric for Lamanites is that there were lots of other people already living there, then what is the current apologeriatric for the Book of Mormon stating that the land had been kept uninhabited? It seems to me these are contradictory...

The book doesn't say that.... That is your "adding" to the word and falsely interpreting and not actually knowing the Book of Mormon.

First, the same terminology is used in the Bible, yet there were PLENTY of people around.
Second, there are many examples of "others" already being there, let alone the population growth which can only be explained by others.

Don't blame LDS for YOUR OWN ignorance of what the Book of Mormon actually teaches.

[_ldsfaqs]

Even Jesus believed in the Noah story.

Luke 17:26

26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

So the list of uneducated Mormons who are not as smart as ldsfaqs is:

George Reynolds
Bruce R. McConkie
Gordon B. Hinckley
Jesus H. Christ

I nor other LDS don't disagree at all with these people.....

We disagree with your perversions of their words, your perversion of Mormonism itself to then make your false judgments.

You not understanding how it all fits and works is not our failure or thinking the above are less educated. It is YOU who are the less educated.

[_Quasimodo]

Hmmm...

If the current apologeriatric for Lamanites is that there were lots of other people already living there, then what is the current apologeriatric for the Book of Mormon stating that the land had been kept uninhabited? It seems to me these are contradictory...

The book doesn't say that.... That is your "adding" to the word and falsely interpreting and not actually knowing the Book of Mormon.

First, the same terminology is used in the Bible, yet there were PLENTY of people around.
Second, there are many examples of "others" already being there, let alone the population growth which can only be explained by others.

Don't blame LDS for YOUR OWN ignorance of what the Book of Mormon actually teaches.

It's becoming apparent, ldsfaqs, that you're not doing your cause any favors here. If you want to defend the Church on this board, you're going to have to brush up a little. Way to many bright, well read and educated people here to get away with much.

[Guest]

Hmmm...

If the current apologeriatric for Lamanites is that there were lots of other people already living there, then what is the current apologeriatric for the Book of Mormon stating that the land had been kept uninhabited? It seems to me these are contradictory...

The book doesn't say that.... That is your "adding" to the word and falsely interpreting and not actually knowing the Book of Mormon.

First, the same terminology is used in the Bible, yet there were PLENTY of people around.
Second, there are many examples of "others" already being there, let alone the population growth which can only be explained by others.

Don't blame LDS for YOUR OWN ignorance of what the Book of Mormon actually teaches.

8 And behold, it is wisdom that this land should be kept as yet from the knowledge of other nations; for behold, many nations would overrun the land, that there would be no place for an inheritance.

ldsfaqs - you are ignorant about your own religion, as shown by most of your recent responses on this and other threads. I suggest you spend the next four years sitting the seminary programme - then come back and we'll talk some more...