Questions for Brian H

[_Corpsegrinder]

Bull. Your issue isn't his alleged hypocrisy. Your issue is that BrianH is an easy target so that makes it easy to pile-on.

Point taken. Be that as it may, my principal issue is indeed his alleged hypocrisy. Or, more specifically, his refusal to subject traditional Christianity to the same level of scrutiny that he applies to Mormonism.

[_sock puppet]

Broad paint strokes......yes
Ugliness......maybe
"Maybe we have found the counter-schryver?" Is it possible for the pendulum to swing that far?

Personally, I think BrianH is frustrated with TBM posters and their arguments.

Facile denials are frustrating.

[_RockSlider]

I read through the threads … after the gulf of mindless threads that the likes of stem, why me, etc. continually drag us into over the last year, it was a nice change to see an attempt at some discussion.

I was very impressed with LDSToronto's handling of the Book of Abraham thread, as well as BC and others. Many of the response were focused, polite, informational etc. and yet each is turn was summarily dismissed by Brian, always with very snarky personal attacks and obviously zero thought given to the "answers" that he was demanding.

Hoops, I'm not seeing what your suggesting, the dialog seemed an improvement and the abrasive new comer was actually handled quite nicely. I guess I need to look it over again?

Liz noted the unique, once in a life time, unification of defensiveness from all corners.

It was not the hypocrisy that put me off, or his position, or what/how he said it … but his mindless grenade attack of any/all in sight, with obviously zero interest in the positions of those he dropped his bomb on.

[_sock puppet]

I don't think BrianH is a bad guy. I spent a little time in past at CARM.....it wore me out. BrianH, I believe posts there or I am very mistaken. He is very knowledgeable, in my opinion. I don't think he was Mormon, that is my uneducated opinion, I attribute that to some lapses in tolerance and a few gaps in his understanding of what it is like to be Mormon, past or present.

I just feel he has been posting for a long time and is frustrated. I understand your description of him on an Evan Crusade, my terminology. I got to a frustrated point several times and took several "rests" of various time spans. The end result is I am not the same poster I was one year ago or 2 or 3 or ....7 or 8 years ago. Brian is a prolific poster, if I have him pegged correctly, perhaps he needs a rest.

But for the purpose of this thread I would like know Brian's story....straight from him. I am all ears.

I have no idea whether he's a "bad guy" or not, but his posts here seem misguided and rather bigoted. It's telling that everyone from believers to the worst kind of apostate (me) finds his posts offensive and unhelpful.

Why the need to categorize people as "bad", "good" or "cool" guys?

[_Hoops]

(It's a good thing you answered, because I was about to go off on an obsessive rant).

I will avoid those at all costs. :)

If you are thinking of the instruction that I think you are referring to, then Christians are to be ready to answer regarding the hope we have.

Not bash the other guy bloody.

Yep. I agree with you. BrianH may not, and therefor what he's offered is fodder for discussion. Implicit, though, is that one should challenge false hope so that the real hope may be contrasted. I think you and I agree that we wouldn't do this in the way BrianH has, our sensibilities don't make us right. I'm willing, at this point, to concede that those sensibilities make us diffferent.

Jesus reserved his harshest criticism for the hypocrites of the religious community. Is this not so?

It would seem Jesus wasn't always terribly nice to the apostles either. More harsh to hypocrites? Probably. But its not as if the apostles were immune from Jesus' impatience either.

[Guest]

For you to allege hypocrisy you would have to explain, and we would have to agree, what the entire Christian faith means. Good luck with that.

If you mean to say it would be impossible to determine the meaning of the "entire Christian faith" then I would agree with you. When I say hypocrisy I'm referring to the double standard Brian uses when evaluating Mormon scriptures as opposed to the Bible...and Mormons are just as guilty of employing a very similar double standard.

[_RockSlider]

So, I go to boot the brunet from my chair, to make room for the blond … and what do I see … hands on hips, and that look of "oh no you don't" from good old number 6.

Sorry, will not happen again.

[_Jersey Girl]

I have to get off this thread.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCqfwXeq6_8&feature=related

'nuff said

[_Hoops]

Point taken. Be that as it may, my principal issue is indeed his alleged hypocrisy. Or, more specifically, his refusal to subject traditional Christianity to the same level of scrutiny that he applies to Mormonism.

Who says he hasn't? Is it because he has come to a different conclusion than you therefor 1) he hasn't studied it well enough: or 2) he is incapable?

Lots of people have studied LDS alongside Mcism and have found LDS wanting. Others have found MCism wanting. Still others have found both wanting. I'm continuously amazed at how folks interpret this - it's generally this: I'm right and you're stupid.

[_Corpsegrinder]

Who says he hasn't?

I asked him several times to give me his criteria for why he accepts the Bible as scripture but ignores everything else. He deigned not to answer.

Just so we're clear...I'm what you might call a secular Mormon who has yet to encounter a supernatural belief system that meets the burden of proof. Furthermore, I feel the burden of proof rests firmly on the belief system in question (or the practitioners thereof) and not the potential convert. Personal opinion.