MCB wrote:Does anyone have access to stats on coffee consumption by state in US? I searched, but didn't find anthing.
I live in the Northwest and I can tell you right now we must be at least in the top 5. I can walk from my house to 3 Starbucks in less than 10 minutes.
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
Drifting wrote:Well they seem to have given up the parts about eating meat only during winter or famines and the bit about only consuming things in moderation is definitely out of the window - judging by the amount of clinically obese Temple reccommend holders.
Supposedly the ban on alcohol is because some people can not use it in moderation, despite the studies showing moderate daily use is healthy.
Why not then ban meat altogether? There are a fair number of TBMs that are not able to use moderation in eating meat.
Meat, however, isn't as an inherently addictive substance as alcohol is.
Personally, I agree that there is nothing wrong with moderate consumption of both alcohol and coffee.
However, there are also medical studies that show that alcoholism is a physical addiction. Someone can be predetermined to be an alcoholic and never take a drink.
Drifting wrote:If one were being strict to the adherence of the Word of Wisdom, temple reccommend interviews would include a 'weigh in' for the member.
ldsfaqs wrote:The intro didn't need to be changed, but was changed to help eliminate confusion. Anti-mormon assumptions is not the book and not Mormonism.
What confusion does changing this...
'they are the principal ancestors of the Native Americans'
...to this...
'they are among the ancestors of the Native Amercans'
...eliminate?
I'm after both your opinion and what the Church officially said on this subject when it informed the membership of the change - which it would have done at the time of the change (2006 If I recall correctly)if the purpose was to end confusion, right?
There was never any official announcement of this change that I am aware of. Was there?
Sock Puppet wrote:If a bishop did that, as a thinking, rational adult viewing D&C section 76, what do you think the SP or up line authority at the COB would do? Do you think it would be a reprimand from the upline for having been a thinking, rational adult rather than a local automaton implementing the COB's edicts, such as not suffering critical analysis being openly aired in local church meetings?
I can guarantee you...if temple recommend interviews included a weigh-in, you would have Relief Society members all over the Church up in arms! We would likely storm the COB in a heartbeat! LOL
sock puppet wrote:Supposedly the ban on alcohol is because some people can not use it in moderation, despite the studies showing moderate daily use is healthy.
Why not then ban meat altogether? There are a fair number of TBMs that are not able to use moderation in eating meat.
Like with Coffee, the BAD benefits of Alcohol STILL exist. There being "some" benefits to something doesn't mean it's ultimately good for you.
Moderate alcohol intake is associated with all around better health outcomes. So yes, it's ultimately good for you.
Same goes for coffee. And you can drink as much coffee as you wish. No moderation required!
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Drifting wrote:If one were being strict to the adherence of the Word of Wisdom, temple reccommend interviews would include a 'weigh in' for the member.
Lord, I'm glad you're not my bishop! LOL
You don't know that I'm not, check out the new scales next time I call you in for tithing settlement (you're behind in your payments you know...).
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liz3564 wrote:Meat, however, isn't as an inherently addictive substance as alcohol is.
Personally, I agree that there is nothing wrong with moderate consumption of both alcohol and coffee.
However, there are also medical studies that show that alcoholism is a physical addiction. Someone can be predetermined to be an alcoholic and never take a drink.
I don't know. As a one-time inactive guy, I used to drink. When I came back, I gave up alcohol pretty easily. Meat would be a lot harder.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Drifting wrote:ldsfaqs. Once again you are demonstrably wrong...
Edit. I see someone else had already posted this evidence in response to ldsfaqs false statement.
It just goes to show that when people turn to apologetics it's like a dog returning to its vomit. They forget all about the teachings for the church and become enamored with the smooth, seductive lie of mopologetics.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Personally, I don't drink the stuff. I think it smells terrible. Caffeine has a negative impact on my health so I avoid it. But, hey, there are some people who are allergic to wheat...doesn't mean we should ban wheat.
Moderation and knowing your own body seem to be the important things. Arbitrary bans just don't make sense.
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