RayAgostini wrote: I only posted two links. Didn't write a single word. On an aspect of LDS charity, which was also demonstrated in my home town in 1998 when we had severe floods, and they donated $100,000 (among the highest donations for a city no where the size of Sydney).
I thought it was about charity, not "apologetics", but I suppose I should have known better.
but you were the one to bring apologetics into it. Don't fault others for what you did.
Providing love, comfort and help to others seems to be at the top of all religious teachings. Elder Uchtdorf has spoken on these items several times. Now, if we could emphasize that the desire for the more material wealth is the cause of great of suffering as well as the concept of moderation in all things, we would be running on even more cylinders.
Themis wrote:If the church were actually true, then I could name a number. If not true, then none. Good group of people though, even if that's not unique, which is a great thing.
Such as?
Themis wrote:Eternal life, eternal marriage, Godhood(I know you like this one ), etc.
And how would any of things you mentioned be uniquely good things?
Eternal life, if you were riddled with disease and pain, wouldn't be a good thing. Eternal marriage, where you despised each other, wouldn't be a good thing. Certainly, human beings as we are, if they had the power of God, would be a terrible thing as well.
I really don't think you've made your case at all.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Tobin wrote:And how would any of things you mentioned be uniquely good things?
Eternal life, if you were riddled with disease and pain, wouldn't be a good thing. Eternal marriage, where you despised each other, wouldn't be a good thing. Certainly, human beings as we are, if they had the power of God, would be a terrible thing as well.
I really don't think you've made your case at all.
LOL I am not surprised you would create something else from what I said that you know is not what the church teaches. Again it depends on whether the church is true.
RayAgostini wrote: 1. What apologetics did I bring into it?
2. Do you see me crawling all over this board apologising for every thread against the Church/Mormonism?
Behold, I signed into MDB, and noticed a miracle - a thread I could make a positive contribution to. I did so warily, and my fears were justified.
Even if, hypothetically, I did "better apologetics", I'd still be damned for it.
Trying to compare LDS to other groups using stats in an apologetic manner is apologetic. It's not a big issue, but that is why I think Darth reacted the way he did to clarify what you posted.
Ray, this is from the first article to which you linked:
"The vast majority of the volunteering is for the maintenance of the church itself," wrote David Campbell, professor of political science at the University of Notre Dame at a briefing on the study's findings on Thursday.[/quote]
Maybe instead of bitching and moaning about my perspective or agenda or whatever, you could reconsider whether the evidence you offer on any given topic actually supports your claims. The article that you volunteered indicates that Mormons are primarily involved in helping themselves.