Go to Mormondiscussions.com to read about the real William Schryver. He has a long, well-documented history of verbal rape, abuse and anger towards women. Unfortunately, he is also associated with the Maxwell Institute of Religious Studies at BYU.
Wonderful comment and such strong language. It is ashame that when members become exmembers and begin to post on the internet they lose their decorum.
Will's an 'exmember'?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Not me. Just stating that she was difficult...so difficult that joseph was a little afraid of her in a nice way of course. I do believe that it was hyrum that showed her section 132 and got her reaction. Then we have this:
LDS Doctrine and Covenants 132:51-56 states:
51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to prove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, receive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been faithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an hundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of eternal lives in the eternal worlds.
56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid forgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to rejoice.
Doesn't look like she was an easy going person when it came to polygamy. But I do admire emma. But...I don't think that she was easy to be married to at times.
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Someone.needs to inform parker that will retracted any apology just a few weeks ago. Will now denies all and every post associated to him, to include the bitch comment.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
M. Parker wrote:His research was done in Church archives with the assistance and support of MI scholars. I don’t know the details, but I think MI has publication rights.
lulu wrote:Doing research in the Chruch archives does not give MI publication rights.
Having the assistance and support of MI scholars does not give MI publication rights.
The only thing that would give MI publications rights is if the author signed a document giving it such rights.
If such a document exists, Schryver should say so specifically.
Doctor Scratch wrote:It's an interesting question. We know that Jerry Bradform "canceled" Schryver's publication with the MI. If the MI still holds the rights to it, does that mean that it will never see the light of day? If that's the case, it may help explain the Mopologists' weird behavior about all of this stuff. They can't exactly attack MI administration/BYU/the Church and complain that these institutions are "censoring" Schryver's "research."
I bet you're on to something here, Lulu. After all, the apologists have FAIR--so why not publish both the Schryver stuff and the Greg Smith "hit piece" on FAIR? They just sit there: waiting and waiting and waiting, always saying, "I hope it is one day published." Now that you mention this, it makes it seem as if they cannot publish due to MI/BYU/the Church holding the publishing rights!
Wow: I bet that's exactly what's going on. Because think about it: Schryver was given access to highly sensitive Church materials, so there is probably no way that a publication would ever see the light of day without it getting vetted by Church admin. I don't know that the same is the case for the Greg Smith article, but it may very well be. (Or that it won't ever appear due to the admonitions from Elder ________). What a bummer for them.
Which is why real scholars do not sign those kind of agreements.
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"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
why me wrote:Doesn't look like she was an easy going person when it came to polygamy. But I do admire emma. But...I don't think that she was easy to be married to at times.
Are you suggesting that Joseph threatening her with destruction if she doesn't agree with his extramarital relations means she was a difficult person? WTF?
To me it says Joseph was going to do what he wanted and couldn't handle anyone telling him "no," not even his wife. That is a damning part of section 132, but not for Emma.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
Blixa wrote:That fracas was even mentioned to me by a number of friends and academic colleagues who know of my Mormon past and interest in Mormon history, but who all had no idea I knew of any of the characters involved. One friend mentioned someone he knew at Time/Life that was flabbergasted that Peterson had made nearly a 100 posts in the comment section, most of which having nothing to do with the photographs themselves....
Same here. I posted the link to the photo essay without looking at the comments, which I did not see until more than a few of my friends responded with "Who the hell are these angry Mormons?"
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
Bob Loblaw wrote:more than a few of my friends responded with "Who the hell are these angry Mormons?"
And that's the Mormon PR problem.
lulu - avoiding real work
"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
I wonder how the church feels about having a dedicated group of members who spend all their time undermining the church's PR attempts. I could go out of my way to damage the church but these guys are doing it for me.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
