Cicero wrote:Exactly, and as I mentioned before this theme (unity is what God wants rather than diversity) is one of Oaks's personal favorites.
I've been told by some Mormons that as we approach the divine we will begin to think and act more and more alike until we become perfect and we are all the same. bcspace and Droopy seem to believe that in heaven everyone will be a conservative with exactly the same political and economic beliefs.
Being in a place where everyone is the same sounds very boring. Sounds like hell.
I even know of people (fringe) who believe that everyone will be male...exact replica's of God/Jesus.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
Bob Loblaw wrote:I've been told by some Mormons that as we approach the divine we will begin to think and act more and more alike until we become perfect and we are all the same. bcspace and Droopy seem to believe that in heaven everyone will be a conservative with exactly the same political and economic beliefs.
Being in a place where everyone is the same sounds very boring. Sounds like hell.
We are the Morg, er uh I meant the Borg! You will be assimilated. Resitence is futile!
lulu wrote:bcspace advocates violence against gay people.
Why not? They're all Nazis, right?
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Johanna Brooks has a blog post about criticism she has recieved about her appearance. It was posted on Sunday so she probably hadn't caught wind of criticism from Oaks.
It is odd that Oaks choose to make a response at a stake conference. If he wanted to respond it would have been better to do it in a public fashion. In a stake conference it will be spread second hand and will be terribly unreliable.
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Stormy Waters wrote:Johanna Brooks has a blog post about criticism she has recieved about her appearance. It was posted on Sunday so she probably hadn't caught wind of criticism from Oaks.
It is odd that Oaks choose to make a response at a stake conference. If wanted to respond it would have been better to do it in a public fashion. In a stake conference it will be spread second hand and will be terribly unreliable.
Great post and I especially enjoyed her closing remarks:
That means that women and girls around the world and regardless of faith tradition will have access to the basic rights and resources (including freedom from abuse and access to contraception and education) they need in order to exercise agency and stewardship in their own lives and the lives of their families. This means that women and girls around the world and regardless of faith tradition will be able to use the full range of their skills and abilities—not just their reproductive systems–to advance the work of God on earth. And this means that men and boys, women and girls will be supported when they ask the very basic questions about God and gender that people have been asking for millennia—the questions that allow us all to disentangle human culture and philosophy from the workings of God. At the very least, no one will get shamed, or isolated, or subjected to excommunication—real, virtual, or imaginary—just for asking honest questions and factual observations.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
Stormy Waters wrote:Johanna Brooks has a blog post about criticism she has recieved about her appearance. It was posted on Sunday so she probably hadn't caught wind of criticism from Oaks.
It is odd that Oaks choose to make a response at a stake conference. If he wanted to respond it would have been better to do it in a public fashion. In a stake conference it will be spread second hand and will be terribly unreliable.
I love the angry letter she got. I hate the excuse that women get to have babies and men can't, so it's all fair. Except some women can't have babies, but any douchebag in a white shirt can pass the sacrament.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
Hear me now: it is wrong to criticize the leaders of the Church, even if the criticism is true. Now, we want you to be free thinking, and to partake of the blessings of the Gospel. But I say unto you now that so called feminism is an abomination unto the Lord.
I must say, I find it refreshing when Mormon leaders feel comfortable expressing their sexist views frankly, as if they weren't forty years behind. It makes criticism so much easier. If the church stopped fostering continued suspicion of feminism by limiting their sexism to old policies and old examples, and stopped saying what they really mean, there'd be a craptastically-larger grey area to grapple with. Instead, via Oaks' grab-bag of trite responses*, I have yet another contemporary example of an LDS church leader offering a knee-jerk, authoritarian response to a classic LDS feminist issue.
* The grab-bag contents:
-allusions to the vague realm of doctrinal and revelatory uncertainty - check. -redefining "equality" so that it means both "equality" and "not equality" depending on context - check. -equating child-bearing with priesthood authority - check.
