Caffeine Officially not against Word of Wisdom

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Stormy Waters wrote:
ldsfaqs wrote:That has ALWAYS been the teaching..... and Doctrine.

Some members and wards simply try to follow the "spirit" of the law also, not simply the letter since we all know that Caffeine isn't that good for you.

The "rumor mill" and "traditions" have NEVER been Church Doctrine or Teachings.
That's a key principle that ESPECIALLY you anti-mormons need to remember. Of course, to be fair some Mormons need to pay more attention also. But, that's life. Hate doesn't motivate their honest mistakes.


The reality is that the teaching has been anything but clear. Consider the edit made by the Newsroom. Why did it happen? Because the people at the Newsroom aren't quite clear on the official stance on the topic. So how could the members be clear on it? I've heard plenty of members state that caffeine is against the word of wisdom. So why hasn't the church clarified until now? It's like they didn't care that 'false doctrine' was being propagated until a member a member repeated it to the news media.


Actually the original teaching was to avoid 'strong drink' but mild barley drinks were okay. Nothing about alcohol.
It was also okay to use wine for the Sacrament. So that's another change.
Hot drinks were hot drinks. Now hot drinks are just tea and coffee but were not sure about green tea or decaffeinated. Other hot drinks are now fine.
Even Hinckley was confused on the subject.

One can say lots of things about the word of wisdom doctrine, but the one thing you can't say is that it hasn't changed.
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The Salt Lake Tribune published an article on the topic.

Also I'm seeing status updates on Facebook from Mormons that almost seem to be celebrating that caffeine isn't officially restricted.
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Stormy Waters wrote:The Salt Lake Tribune published an article on the topic.

Also I'm seeing status updates on Facebook from Mormons that almost seem to be celebrating that caffeine isn't officially restricted.


Quick! Buy stock in 'Mountain Dew'....
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Sethbag wrote:By the way, caffeine isn't "officially" not against the Word of Wisdom, because newsroom press releases haven't been approved by the Q12 + FP, presented in Conference, and approved by vote of the membership. Or something like that. Ok, go back and find out what all the "but that's not official!" people have been claiming in trying to defuse past bogus doctrinal statements of Mormon Prophets, and then level that charge here.


Ah, so President Newsroom's pronouncements are not sustained by President Copyright IRI? Time to hide the Coke can again.
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Philidel wrote:
Sethbag wrote:By the way, caffeine isn't "officially" not against the Word of Wisdom, because newsroom press releases haven't been approved by the Q12 + FP, presented in Conference, and approved by vote of the membership. Or something like that. Ok, go back and find out what all the "but that's not official!" people have been claiming in trying to defuse past bogus doctrinal statements of Mormon Prophets, and then level that charge here.


Ah, so President Newsroom's pronouncements are not sustained by President Copyright IRI? Time to hide the Coke can again.


If President Newsrooms pronouncements are not sustained by President Copyright, the Q12 and the FP, that means Randy Bott's viewpoint is still officially unrefuted...
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Philidel wrote:Ah, so President Newsroom's pronouncements are not sustained by President Copyright IRI? Time to hide the Coke can again.

Actually President Newsroom's pronouncements need to be sustained by President Corporation Sole.

I do recall having a fight with my bishop's daughter when we were in early-morning seminary together back in the mid 80s. She was convinced that Coke and Pepsi were against the Word of Wisdom, and I fought back with quotes from GAs saying that they weren't.

The funny thing is, President Newsroom is quick to point this crap out once it hits the media, but in 30+ years since I've been paying attention, they've never cared two craps about straightening out the church's own membership on it. The church doesn't seem to care how many FPRs, how many "unwritten rules", how many "spirit of the law" strict interpretations, etc. are out there floating around in the membership. Don't rock the boat, don't give anyone cause to "choose to be offended", etc.

But have someone else, outside the church, mention caffeine in national media, and President Newsroom is all over it.
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Why didn't "Mormon Voices" step in to save they day?
Isn't righting journalistic wrongs their role?
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[quote="Sethbag" I do recall having a fight with my bishop's daughter when we were in early-morning seminary together back in the mid 80s. She was convinced that Coke and Pepsi were against the Word of Wisdom, and I fought back with quotes from GAs saying that they weren't.
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Why in my day, young man. . .

I'd say I have 20 years on you. When I was growing up, there was no question that Coke and Pepsi were taboo. I remember my mother bringing home a bottle of Coke for some reason. I had a tiny sip before she grabbed it away.

Ah, the pleasures of forbidden fruit!
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Drifting wrote:... mild barley drinks were okay ...

Up to now, nobody explained what are these...

I know only one. Beer.

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ludwigm wrote:
Drifting wrote:... mild barley drinks were okay ...


I know only one. Beer.

Your second comment...



...explains your first.
Up to now, nobody explained what are these...



Can't have the sheeple knowing that the Word of Wisdom originally allowed beer drinking...
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