Tithing on the Wages of Sin

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Re: Tithing on the Wages of Sin

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Tobin wrote:I believe if we pooled our resources and distributed them equitably and thoughtfully thoroughout the word, many of these things you point out would be greatly diminished if not solved.

How do you think we should go about motivating everyone to do this?
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)

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Re: Tithing on the Wages of Sin

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Tobin wrote:
sock puppet wrote:I don't think those characters--Moses, John the Baptist, Paul or Joseph Smith--should be presumed to be better than Tobin. Is it possible that God would give Tobin a greater understanding than those other four? Sure. Why not? Just because three date back to antiquity and one a hundred fifty years does not make their claims regarding divinity any more credible than Tobin's. There's no evidence for any of it. "Why?" indeed. That asks for reasons, asking for reasons for the irrational.

Why would, Tobin, with more understanding be sitting in SM pews somewhere? It makes as much sense as JSJr trying to join the Methodist Church in 1828, eight years after he claims a visual and audio manifestation of God in 1820 that supposedly told JSJr to join none of the existing churches.

None of this religion crap adds up. It is nonsensical. It is contrary to reason. It fills a couple of emotional needs, and charlatans leverage this religious myth to exert power and gain influence over the emotionally needy. Religious leaders play on people's base fears, fears of an afterlife and a God that will judge them harshly and punish them for living life on their own terms. They're bottom feeders of the most despicable kind. Even insurance companies don't stoop that low--they only provide a surety against hazards for which there is evidence of possibly occurring.


Actually, the more likely answer is that you don't understand them at all. Each of the prophets sought the Lord and to do what he asks. And if you want to know if they or I am speaking the truth about there really being a God, you need to do likewise.

Did. Got nothing but some self-induced emotions. Interpreted them, as I was told, as Holy Ghost confirmations of what I had to want to be true. Realized this LDS Church and its functionaries were encouraging me to give it that interpretation. Debunked the whole of it. Still have emotions. Only now I realize what triggers them. And it doesn't include pleading with 'god'.
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Re: Tithing on the Wages of Sin

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sock puppet wrote:
Tobin wrote:We live in a world in which people die from being overweight in this country while others in the world die of starvation.
A world as designed and of this God's making.
This world was formed by natural events. Again, I don't believe in a magical God so you putting all the problems at the footstep of God is meaningless as far as I am concerned. And I believe God would state the same thing to you as well.
sock puppet wrote:
Tobin wrote:I believe if we pooled our resources and distributed them equitably and thoughtfully thoroughout the word, many of these things you point out would be greatly diminished if not solved.
Yes, mankind can fix what God got wrong.
Because God has given us the ability to do so.
sock puppet wrote:
Tobin wrote:And as you know, I don't believe in a magical God that is going to ride in and grant us our every wish.
Not asking God to grant me my wish. Just wondering why it wouldn't be this benevolent God's wish to feed the hungry, heal the sick, etc.
He has. We have the tools, knowledge, and means to do so if we wish.
sock puppet wrote:
Tobin wrote:God has granted us intelligent, foresight, knowledge, wisdom, and the ability to make a difference to improve our condition. Whether we choose to do so or not is up to us.
More interested in teaching some of us a lesson than reducing suffering. Top-drawer kind of a guy, that God.
Actually, I believe God is more interested in teaching us good principles and to help ourselves and each other. Whether we choose to do so is our responsibility.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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Re: Tithing on the Wages of Sin

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sock puppet wrote:
Tobin wrote:Actually, the more likely answer is that you don't understand them at all. Each of the prophets sought the Lord and to do what he asks. And if you want to know if they or I am speaking the truth about there really being a God, you need to do likewise.

Did. Got nothing but some self-induced emotions. Interpreted them, as I was told, as Holy Ghost confirmations of what I had to want to be true. Realized this LDS Church and its functionaries were encouraging me to give it that interpretation. Debunked the whole of it. Still have emotions. Only now I realize what triggers them. And it doesn't include pleading with 'god'.

Why don't you stop with the feelings crap then, because that is what it is - complete rubbish. I would rather have one real experience with God, than a million "feel" good moments.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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Re: Tithing on the Wages of Sin

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zeezrom wrote:
Tobin wrote:I believe if we pooled our resources and distributed them equitably and thoughtfully thoroughout the word, many of these things you point out would be greatly diminished if not solved.

How do you think we should go about motivating everyone to do this?

Lead by example.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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Re: Tithing on the Wages of Sin

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Tobin wrote:Actually, the more likely answer is that you don't understand them at all. Each of the prophets sought the Lord and to do what he asks. And if you want to know if they or I am speaking the truth about there really being a God, you need to do likewise.


All the more reason why the world needs to hear the voice of one to whom God has spoken, and who understands everything so much better than anyone else.

Why is God just having Tobin post these profound truths anonymously on an obscure message board? Why isn't Tobin starting his own church to replace the fallen LDS Church?
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Re: Tithing on the Wages of Sin

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zeezrom wrote:
Tobin wrote:I believe if we pooled our resources and distributed them equitably and thoughtfully thoroughout the word, many of these things you point out would be greatly diminished if not solved.

How do you think we should go about motivating everyone to do this?

Tobin wrote:Lead by example.


Exactly! So where is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Tobins to set this example?
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Re: Tithing on the Wages of Sin

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zeezrom (somewhere...) wrote: ideal church


There is a Hungarian saying (171st of "750 Hungarian proverbs" - link) :
Fából vaskarika.
An iron ring made of wood.
'An absurdity.'

As far as I remember, I've cited these words before. In Mormonism, it is an useful saying...
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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Re: Tithing on the Wages of Sin

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Darth J wrote: ...
Why would God give Tobin an understanding superior to that of Joseph Smith, whom Tobin assures was "a nincompoop that didn't have a clue what he was talking about," and reveal Himself so readily to Tobin, and yet have Tobin sitting unknown somewhere in the pews in sacrament meeting?

God certainly didn't do that with Moses or John the Baptist or Paul or Joseph Smith. So why would God give this powerful message to Tobin for only his private use, instead of restoring these truths through Tobin?



What you just said. The peculiarity of Tobin is that he can read a post like yours, and carry on lecturing us all regardless. I ascribe his 'My deity came and told me not to be naughty when I was doing bad stuff with somebody in a locked apartment' experience to a probable temporal lobe incident. But he also seems to have a longer-term problem involving grandiose fantasies of uniquely privileged understanding and an almost prophetic role.

That and the Panda thing, of course.
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Re: Tithing on the Wages of Sin

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You suppose that any LDS gals who are stripping (the economy is pretty bad if you aren't an Obama or a Romney) pay tithing on their tips?
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