Tithing on SS & Unemployment?

[_bcspace]

It's sure nice to know I don't have to be "judged" by some guy who thinks he's entitled to ask for proof of my financials.

You want welfare and other benefits? You must deliver proof of your requirement. I like that because my generous donations go towards that fund and I wouldn't want it wasted on some handout with no evidence that it's needed or being spent appropriately.

That you think this is completely OK is screwed up.

The government requires the same thing. You pay taxes (hopefully)? You would want there to be some accountability by and who it's spent on wouldn't you?

The difference is that you are free to leave the Church. You are not so free when it comes to living in the USA these days as there are fewer alternatives.

[_Albion]

Fence Sitter, I know what it is but since tithes and offerings are paid, as it were, to God why does a man, any man, have any right to question a person's status on the subject. I suppose in an organization such as the Mormon Church, where determining "worthiness" is so valued it is a device for maintaining control. Guilting is indeed a powerful tool in the control process but it is an irony to me that a church that gives absolutely no accounting of how it spends the money donated by its members and expects them to take on trust its word that funds are used "properly" fails to exercise the same trust with those donors in the first place.

[_sock puppet]

You want welfare and other benefits? You must deliver proof of your requirement. I like that because my generous donations go towards that fund and I wouldn't want it wasted on some handout with no evidence that it's needed or being spent appropriately.



You would want there to be some accountability by and who [tax dollars] spent on wouldn't you?

Three words for ya: City Creek Mall.

[_Darth J]

The government requires the same thing. You pay taxes (hopefully)? You would want there to be some accountability by and who it's spent on wouldn't you?

The difference is that you are free to leave the Church. You are not so free when it comes to living in the USA these days as there are fewer alternatives.

No, there are other differences. There is no accountability whatsoever in the LDS Church--not even any disclosure--about what tithing is spent on.

The Church also tries to use the credulity of its members as leverage to get their money. The Church does not teach that you are simply free to stay in the Church or not, the way one is free to get pizza from Papa John's or Pizza Hut or somewhere else. The "freedom" in LDS dogma is a Hobson's choice. There is no viable alternative; take it or leave it.

And another difference is that we don't have to wonder if the United States government is the legitimate governing body of the United States. We're sort of lacking in anything other than self-serving assertions as to whether the LDS Church is the legitimate authority for God on this planet.

By the way, that's an interesting choice for a sig line, especially in the context of this thread:

"Surety you crave! Sauron gives none. If you sue for his clemency then you must do his bidding."
—Mouth of Sauron

"I, the Lord, am bound when ye do what I say; but when ye do not what I say, ye have no promise."
--D&C 82:10

[_Gadianton]

You want welfare and other benefits? You must deliver proof of your requirement. I like that because my generous donations go towards that fund and I wouldn't want it wasted on some handout with no evidence that it's needed or being spent appropriately.

I don't disagree with this, but it's a double standard, as I explained above. Taxpayers who foot the bills for welfare and medical costs of people who can't work aren't too happy about recipients of this help contributing 10% to their church, even if it means going without food or medicine, and therefore hurting the person and incurring even more costs to society.

[_Infymus]

This is why Mormons pay tithing on everything:

"If paying tithing means that you can't pay for water or electricity, pay tithing. If paying tithing means that you can't pay your rent, pay tithing. Even if paying tithing means that you don't have enough money to feed your family, pay tithing."

http://www.LDS.org/ensign/2012/12/sacre ... s?lang=eng

It is drilled into them.

Behind on your bills? Can't pay your rent? Family starving?

Screw you. Pay your tithing anyway or so help me God you are going to burn at the last day.

[_sock puppet]

"If paying tithing means that you can't pay for water or electricity, pay tithing. If paying tithing means that you can't pay your rent, pay tithing. Even if paying tithing means that you don't have enough money to feed your family, pay tithing."

http://www.LDS.org/ensign/2012/12/sacre ... s?lang=eng

I'm sure that's what Christ would do. Pay tithing over feeding his family. But then that makes the loaves of bread and fish story a bunch of New Testament hogwash, doesn't it? Why would Christ have fed those masses instead of guilting them into paying tithing, right then and there--a mass tithing settlement.

[_Sammy Jankins]

I'm sure that's what Christ would do. Pay tithing over feeding his family. But then that makes the loaves of bread and fish story a bunch of New Testament hogwash, doesn't it? Why would Christ have fed those masses instead of guilting them into paying tithing, right then and there--a mass tithing settlement.

I'm sure those masses had just handed in their tithing envelopes. It's like Jesus said, "Lovest thou me? Pay your tithing."

[_harmony]

I'm sure those masses had just handed in their tithing envelopes. It's like Jesus said, "Lovest thou me? Pay your tithing."

I think that was more like "if thou lovest me, feed my sheep." Not my trout.