The Economics of Zion.

[_Droopy]

Whatever Droop.

Great response, steelhead.

I can't imagine why I don't spend more time around here.

[_Droopy]

"Since we are being insulting"

I see nothing of the kind here (except, perhaps, the unflattering but accurate characterization of the "low-information" LDS citizen (a close analog of the "low-information" non-LDS citizen) that lies at the heart of most of our problems as a nation at this juncture.

I see you as the kind of right-wing nut who has made God into his own image and have overlaid his political philosophies over his God to give support to the cause.

You don't know "right wing" from "left wing," Nehor, and you never did, which is why debating opposing viewpoints with you is such an utter exercise in frustration and futility.

In biblical term, an idolater which means you are probably going to hell unless you repent.

I'm going to hell because I believe in, support, and defend individual liberty, free agency, and unalienable individual rights/natural rights as enshrined in our divinely inspired constitution.

Got it, "Nehor."

[_SteelHead]

I think it is mainly because you think that your bloviations are not received with awe for the eruditeness you believe they possess, rather they are dismissed for what they are - attempts to bewilder with a wall of text, which you hope will be viewed as insightful, that limits your participation. Said poor reception offends you.

You continue to conflate Jesus's teachings with modern economic systems and american political alignments and yet can offer absolutely no logic for said conflation, while simultaneously espousing that those who do not share your views are fundamentally flawed. Such boorish behavior will not improve the reception of your message.

If you find umbrage with the appellation: "Droop", I apologize. It was meant as a familiar nick name and no offense was meant.

[Guest]

"You are just inventing new definitions for pure communism, trying to equate it with Leninism, so as to champion free market capitalism."

There is no such thing as "pure communism" save on blackboards and in excruciatingly abstruse theoretical tomes read primarily by the "anointed" who's progenitors have already killed some 140,000,000 human beings in the 20th century in their desire to build a "better world."

Leninism or some form of it, under one name or program or another, is the inevitable and natural consequence of taking socialist theory -including Marxist theory - seriously. Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism etc. were not glitches or perversions of socialist theory, but fundamental features of it and its inevitable outcome once actually applied and driven to policy. "Christain" socialism may or may not stop before the gulag, but they could not avoid approaching it as a natural consequence of the attempt to push socialist theory to its logical and conceptual limits. The praxis is inherent within the theory, as is the case with all ideological grand templates of this kind.

"Christian communism does not depend upon coercion; anybody can opt out at any time."

This is a self-negating concept.

"I wonder if you have any citation from the Brethren claiming that there will be private property in the hereafter."

We're not speaking of the "hearafter," and never were.

""Stewardship" is not private property,"

You may wish to spend more time reading the scriptures, Yahoo, and taking serious stalk of the unanimous teachings of the Brethren whenever they have spoken to this question, because you are just plain wrong here, and are, apparently, not conversant with established Church teachings on the subject.

"as the very notion of "steward" is that you are entrusted with somebody else's property"

Not in Zion. This is simply and plainly false doctrine, and not taught by the Church.

I tire, really, really tire, of fielding sugar-coated "Christian" totalitarian pap of this kind, over and over and over again from fellow LDS when homework has not been done, the clear teachings of the Brethren are openly contradicted and opposed, and teachings utterly hostile to and incompatible with the gospel and the clear texts of the scriptures (in particular, the D&C) are foisted in public as holy writ.

This has been laid to rest time and time again in the 20th century in General Conference and in other venues by the special witnesses of Christ in our age.

There is no excuse for this kind of gospel hobbying by members of the Church.

Its far, far to late in the day...

[_Droopy]

I think it is mainly because you think that your bloviations are not received with awe for the eruditeness you believe they possess, rather they are dismissed for what they are - attempts to bewilder with a wall of text, which you hope will be viewed as insightful, that limits your participation. Said poor reception offends you.

You continue to conflate Jesus's teachings with modern economic systems and american political alignments and yet can offer absolutely no logic for said conflation, while simultaneously espousing that those who do not share your views are fundamentally flawed. Such boorish behavior will not improve the reception of your message.

If you find umbrage with the appellation: "Droop", I apologize. It was meant as a familiar nick name and no offense was meant.

Pure, concise, unexpurgated intellectual vacuity.

I can't imagine why I don't spend more time around here like I used to.

I can't imagine what I must be missing...

[_SteelHead]

Today's episode is brought to you by the phrase: "Intellectual vacuity"

And sponsored by Droopy's personal Department of Redundancy Department.

We hope you enjoyed the show. Now Vote Republican or Jesus will kill a kitten.

[_Droopy]

Today's episode is brought to you by the phrase: "Intellectual vacuity"

I thought you were going to say Crest (that shows you how old I am, eh?).

And sponsored by Droopy's personal Department of Redundancy Department.

Vacuity isn't redundant, its just, well, vacuous.

We hope you enjoyed the show. Now Vote Republican or Jesus will kill a kitten.

Vote Democrat, and let Anopheles kill another hundred million little brown people in the eco-friendly Third World and another forty or fifty million unborn children (especially black children).

Try to enjoy the daylight...

[_SteelHead]

Today's episode is brought to you by the phrase: "Intellectual vacuity"

I thought you were going to say Crest (that shows you how old I am, eh?).

And sponsored by Droopy's personal Department of Redundancy Department.

Vacuity isn't redundant, its just, well, vacuous.

We hope you enjoyed the show. Now Vote Republican or Jesus will kill a kitten.

Vote Democrat, and let Anopheles kill another hundred million little brown people in the eco-friendly Third World and another forty or fifty million unborn children (especially black children).

Try to enjoy the daylight...

Sorry Droopy but, according to Webster's

vac·u·ous
: having or showing a lack of intelligence or serious thought : lacking meaning, importance, or substance

Intellectual vacuity is redundant as vacuity/vacuous already references intellect/intelligence. Try a dictionary more often, and learn to live by the adage of Reverend Maclean:

I attended the school of the Reverend Maclean. He taught nothing but reading and writing. And being a Scot... believed that the art of writing lay in thrift.