Sandra Tanner Knows Nothing About Religion per Sunstone

[_AmyJo]

Gerald and Sandra Tanner have done more to discredit Mormonism than any 2 persons on earth. They hold the first position and you will only wither under the protection she will be given. She is not about to look at your picture/photo for a quick moment and give some earth shattering "I see, I see" like Marin Harris. Most will view your presentations as "out in left field, bizarre".
My advice go slow with whom ever you approach with the apolcalrock stuff-even then you are going to take heat.

And give Tanner her due- trying to discredit her makes you look very very bad.

k

I gave ULHM a pass thirty-five years ago only because the LDS deserved what they dished out. I was embarrassed for her weak attempt to smear Joseph as a plagiarist. She is a woman of ill-fame for the like of it.

Sandra wasn't the first to recognize the plagiarism by Joseph. There were others way before her. He plagiarized from many sources, including the KJV of the Bible his family kept in their upstate NY farmhouse, publication date of 1769. He plagiarized verbatim, down to the same grammatical errors in the family Bible. View of the Hebrews another. The map of Lake Ontario in the original manuscript by Ethan Smith with his place names in his book of fiction, Joseph took that map and made up names for the same places that were already there to say his was given him by an angel (who obviously didn't really exist, because Joseph stole that from the author.

When you learn that Joseph Smith was not a man of god, because prophets don't resort to lying or plagiarism to build a religion based on deception, what is it you find compelling about the falsity of Mormonism?

Never mind his 39 wives, 10 of whom were already wed to other men, and some as young as 14. He only took wives who brought him property, dowries, inheritances etc to steal from them their livelihood and any chance another man would take them to be lawfully wed women. He was a thief, charlatan, and a liar.

I don't see how you can not know this if indeed you have spent any time studying it out.

Book of Mormon is 19th century fiction and Americana folklore that was indeed plagiarized.

[_Nightlion]

Adam and Eve (who were real people placed upon the Earth by God in the beginning) sought to teach the first of their posterity (before Cain and Abel) the gospel when some 'sandra' spouted, on the behest of Satan, that the people should NOT believe it. And mankind became carnal, sensual and devilish ever since.

When people do not want to bother believing it is the easiest thing to encourage disbelief.

Like only one photo of God's own ensign art cut out of the mountain without hands that smites the fallen Babylon of apostasy today upon the toes that cirque up against The Apocalrock, one image counts little. There are over FIFTY complex compositions set level to our view that recount God's prophets and the works of Jesus Christ. All upon one monument that is a signet and seal of God's owning this planet as his very creation.

The Apocalrock will yet have a day of reckoning with the world.

Perhaps Sandra can figure how God plagiarized The Apocalrock. A simple saying, 'believe it not' will hardly suffice when the full weight of it is up in the face of all humanity.

[_grindael]

I was never "snot-nosed".... It's simply people are different, have different talents, life experiences etc.
It's easy to gain wisdom and love seeking truth when a person lives in many homes and towns growing up and in life, knowing many people and experiences, choosing at the age of 6 to start observing human behavior, to know and see good and evil, to study out of the best books, etc. By the age of 10 or something I had totally stopped reading comics and was only reading the articles in papers. Same for the news.

I was not your standard child. I became an adult very young.
You mock that, but that only shows your own lack of intellect. It's simply the truth and fact. Only fools mock reality.

by the way, sure I still did things kids do, road my bike around town (observing while doing so), doing other activities etc. kids often do.
But I was and still am a reflective and observant individual. It's how I had predicted several years ago both Kerry Shirts and Consigliari would become anti-Mormon and/or non-believers. And you both remember me telling you so..... and you both mocked me for it calling me stupid.

So because you claim you supposedly correctly predicted something am I supposed to see you as a true prophet and send you my frickin tithing now? Should I pray to you reverently for blessings oh righteous one? Should I now cease my own understanding and just read your own correlated views to gain eternal celestial glory with your greatness so I can be eternally happy?

No dingo.... It's simply pointing out your judgment skills, and my judgment skills.
Everything has a cause and effect, thought and actions create more thought and actions.
As a man thinketh so shall he be.... I see the patterns of thought and behaviors that will create wisdom, good, evil, ignorance, or bigotry, etc.
A lot of it is based in "balance", the balancing of the different aspects, the mental, physical, spiritual, the types thereof, etc.

Also, it wasn't "supposedly".... It's a fact. You remember very well me telling you several years back that I saw you becoming anti-Mormon, that if you didn't change how you were doing and thinking about things you WOULD become one. I was correct. The same occurred with Consig.

I'm predicting that if you don't change you will become an even bigger ass than you are. Oops. You are already one. Prophecy fulfilled.

[_kairos]

Gerald and Sandra Tanner have done more to discredit Mormonism than any 2 persons on earth. They hold the first position and you will only wither under the protection she will be given. She is not about to look at your picture/photo for a quick moment and give some earth shattering "I see, I see" like Marin Harris. Most will view your presentations as "out in left field, bizarre".
My advice go slow with whom ever you approach with the apolcalrock stuff-even then you are going to take heat.

And give Tanner her due- trying to discredit her makes you look very very bad.

k

I gave ULHM a pass thirty-five years ago only because the LDS deserved what they dished out. I was embarrassed for her weak attempt to smear Joseph as a plagiarist. She is a woman of ill-fame for the like of it.

She simply pointed out with gerald that all those Bible passages particularly the new testament stuff by paul and matthew were copied into the Book of Mormon with some variations. the only apologist answer like from nibley was that the passages of paul were really from earlier texts that nephi or whomever also had access to- that of course if pure nibster bull###t ! so Joseph remains a plaigerist as far as Bible passages ending up in the Book of Mormon.
why would you say Joseph did not copy that material from the Bible>

k

[_AmyJo]

So, is James Muir and Nightlion one and the same? This is what I found from googling Apocalrock. It is Nightlion's own blog about James Muir, prophet seer and divinator in SLC, Utah who formed his own offshoot church called The Church of Zion and Jesus Christ in Millcreek, Utah. Way to go James! The Apocalrock lives in on a mountaintop in Salt Lake County. When people are leaving Mormonism, they're usually not to eager to go signing up for its offshoots these days. I'm wondering how's the recruitment going?

http://apocalblog.blogspot.com/2012/06/ ... he-so.html

[_Philo Sofee]

[quote="ldsfaqsI was never "snot-nosed".... It's simply people are different, have different talents, life experiences etc.
It's easy to gain wisdom and love seeking truth when a person lives in many homes and towns growing up and in life, knowing many people and experiences, choosing at the age of 6 to start observing human behavior, to know and see good and evil, to study out of the best books, etc. By the age of 10 or something I had totally stopped reading comics and was only reading the articles in papers. Same for the news.

I was not your standard child. I became an adult very young.
You mock that, but that only shows your own lack of intellect. It's simply the truth and fact. Only fools mock reality.

by the way, sure I still did things kids do, road my bike around town (observing while doing so), doing other activities etc. kids often do.
But I was and still am a reflective and observant individual. It's how I had predicted several years ago both Kerry Shirts and Consigliari would become anti-Mormon and/or non-believers. And you both remember me telling you so..... and you both mocked me for it calling me stupid.

So because you claim you supposedly correctly predicted something am I supposed to see you as a true prophet and send you my frickin tithing now? Should I pray to you reverently for blessings oh righteous one? Should I now cease my own understanding and just read your own correlated views to gain eternal celestial glory with your greatness so I can be eternally happy?

No dingo.... It's simply pointing out your judgment skills, and my judgment skills.
Everything has a cause and effect, thought and actions create more thought and actions.
As a man thinketh so shall he be.... I see the patterns of thought and behaviors that will create wisdom, good, evil, ignorance, or bigotry, etc.
A lot of it is based in "balance", the balancing of the different aspects, the mental, physical, spiritual, the types thereof, etc.

Also, it wasn't "supposedly".... It's a fact. You remember very well me telling you several years back that I saw you becoming anti-Mormon, that if you didn't change how you were doing and thinking about things you WOULD become one. I was correct. The same occurred with Consig.[/quote]

Philo Sofee says:
But you're wrong I'm not anti Mormon I Am pro truth. That is a significant distinction one of course I don't expect you to recognize

[_Lemmie]

So, is ______ and Nightlion one and the same? This is what I found from googling Apocalrock. It is Nightlion's own blog about ______, prophet seer and divinator in ___________, Utah who formed his own offshoot church called _________ and Jesus Christ in __________. Way to go _______! The Apocalrock lives in on a mountaintop in ____________. When people are leaving Mormonism, they're usually not to eager to go signing up for its offshoots these days. I'm wondering how's the recruitment going?

http://apocalblog.blogspot.com/2012/06/ ... he-so.html

That's an awful lot of in real life information, not really appropriate to post it, no matter how easy it is to Google.

[_Nightlion]

I gave ULHM a pass thirty-five years ago only because the LDS deserved what they dished out. I was embarrassed for her weak attempt to smear Joseph as a plagiarist. She is a woman of ill-fame for the like of it.

She simply pointed out with gerald that all those Bible passages particularly the new testament stuff by paul and matthew were copied into the Book of Mormon with some variations. the only apologist answer like from nibley was that the passages of paul were really from earlier texts that nephi or whomever also had access to- that of course if pure nibster bull###t ! so Joseph remains a plaigerist as far as Bible passages ending up in the Book of Mormon.
why would you say Joseph did not copy that material from the Bible>

k

Did you bother to read the OP? I made my bones there. Rah, rah, rah, peanut gallery bull crap counts for nothing.

[_Nightlion]

So, is James Muir and Nightlion one and the same? This is what I found from googling Apocalrock. It is Nightlion's own blog about James Muir, prophet seer and divinator in Salt Lake City, Utah who formed his own offshoot church called The Church of Zion and Jesus Christ in Millcreek, Utah. Way to go James! The Apocalrock lives in on a mountaintop in Salt Lake County. When people are leaving Mormonism, they're usually not to eager to go signing up for its offshoots these days. I'm wondering how's the recruitment going?

http://apocalblog.blogspot.com/2012/06/ ... he-so.html

Ah, how politically incorrect of you to mock my weakness.
Is bullying a tenet of YOUR fabricated religion?

[_Nightlion]

So, is ______ and Nightlion one and the same? This is what I found from googling Apocalrock. It is Nightlion's own blog about ______, prophet seer and divinator in ___________, Utah who formed his own offshoot church called _________ and Jesus Christ in __________. Way to go _______! The Apocalrock lives in on a mountaintop in ____________. When people are leaving Mormonism, they're usually not to eager to go signing up for its offshoots these days. I'm wondering how's the recruitment going?

http://apocalblog.blogspot.com/2012/06/ ... he-so.html

That's an awful lot of in real life information, not really appropriate to post it, no matter how easy it is to Google.

Thanks Lemmie but I am not shy for people to know my real life information. I just like the handle Nightlion. The church is no great effort more a place holder at present. James Q. Muir is my real name and it is on the title page of my Mormon theological insights paper: New Mormon Theology: The Wonders of Eternity, down there in my sig. It is also on my YouTube channel where I play a couple of guitar tunes and show some Apocalrock sightings. Got to update that. I do not blah-de-blah-blah blog because sufficient is said on my blog already and until somebody shows up with some faith equal to it I am not losing any sleep over it. I do a little song and dance here because it is entertaining.

If someone wants to find me and get all up in my face about anything......cool, Bring it.

I just got bounced from a Facebook Group about Restoration Churches. A bunch of weeners who cannot take a punch. And get their arrogance in a bunch. A mini MDDB or FAIRites.