A TBM woman in Utah getting a boob job is an example of patriarchy and oppression. A man gets a boob job though and it's some high-minded form of liberalism.
Sure, a toddler can run up and down a hotel lobby in nothing but a diaper all he wants, but when Water Dog does it, somebody calls the cops. People are such hypocrites!
You know, maybe the context changes how we think about the behavior and choices here Water Dog. Just a thought.
Water Dog wrote:.A TBM woman in Utah getting a boob job is an example of patriarchy and oppression.
Wait. What? I think the only time I've seen a Liberal bitch about TBMs and boob jobs is in context to earrings or tattoos.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
EAllusion wrote:Sure, a toddler can run up and down a hotel lobby in nothing but a diaper all he wants, but when Water Dog does it, somebody calls the cops. People are such hypocrites!
Right, so in the context of the current subject who is the toddler and who is the mentally disturbed adult? What a strange example you came up with.
Thinking it through there, I see.
It's possible that breast enhancements done because women feel strongly that their worth is wrapped up in their sexual appeal is a bad thing while breast implants done so people's physical form more closely matches their gendered psychology is not a bad thing. Thinking you have to like both or neither shows a almost crippling lack of appreciation for context.
Since this woman was a Stake President, I'd say judge by her actions as an SP. If she was understanding and dealt liberally in her interviewers, looking the other way at sexual sins and not making a big deal of tithing and other stupid commandments generally, then I say this is a real tragedy. However, if she was in full denial, dealing harshly with confessors then it's for the best she's excommunicated.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.
LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
You asking this suggests you are blown away, emotionally anyway, by the idea that someone under the age of 18 can have gendered mental states do that do not match their secondary sex characteristics. A man is a man! in the same way that marriage is between a man and a woman!
I get it, but I also get that you certainly are exposed to the position you are disagreeing with and your ignorance is feigned.
Water Dog wrote:I wish this man well, but I'm not going to lie and deny the objective biological fact that he is a man.
Like I've said, I'm uneducated on this topic, but isn't the objective biological fact that he has a male body rather than "he is a man"? Understanding the differentiation between those two things seems to me to be the crux of this.
Water Dog wrote:A TBM woman in Utah getting a boob job is an example of patriarchy and oppression. A man gets a boob job though and it's some high-minded form of liberalism.
If you say so, I'm not sure anyone else is suggesting TBM boob jobs is a result of patriarchal oppression. However, what's worthy of note is your desire to make gender identity all about physicality. In doing so you I think you completely miss the point.
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“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
This really isn't my deal. I need to do this for my own sanity or something close to it.
Water Dog wrote:
Polygamy-Porter wrote:First off, this is not a woman/female.
This is a cross dressing man/male who wants to
1. Take female hormones to add to his man boobs and raise his voice 2. Cut off his male parts and create a hole in his crouch and call it a vagina.
He is, and never will be, a she. Call me whatever you want. In nature there are females, males, and a few hermaphidites. If you were born with a penis and testicles with which you impregnated a female, guess what?? You are a man, a male.
Wanna dress like a woman, inject estrogen, cut off your penis and testicles and surgically carve out a hole in your crotch so be it! You are still a man. You are man who dresses like a female, who injects estrogen and who chose to cut off your penis and testicles to make room for a hole in your crotch for another man to ejactulate into.
If he has sexual relations with a man, that makes him a homosexual. If he continues to have sexual relations with his wife or other women, that makes him heterosexual.
He is an adult convert. He chose this life. Boo fuggin hoo, the LDS Inc boys club won't let you dress like a woman.
Now his grandkids will get mind screwed even more.
IMHO he doesn't look good in drag.
Flame me all you want. IMHO this "gender identity crisis" is BS.
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So after this lengthy lecture courtesy of Porter and your thumbs up, tell me, if the world is divided up into males, females and hermaphrodites (it isn't), who are the hermaphrodites allowed to have sex with?
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
What I find interesting about it is how quickly and readily people are conflating gender identity with homosexuality. The only person that really seems to see the distinction, is cinepro.
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
