I have a question wrote:I think the OP of the thread clearly shows that we can’t trust the claim of the Apostles, that they act in the name of God. If they did, a sextortionist wouldn’t have been sent on a mission. We are left with one of only two conclusions. Either God wanted a rabid sex pest preaching His Gospel, or the Apostles cannot be trusted to know what it is God does or doesn’t want.
I'd be interested in your fleshed out answer to the question(s) I asked in my previous post.
mentalgymnast wrote:I think it all comes down to this.
Answer me this those that are willing to cut some slack to the New Testament account of Christ and the Last Supper. Let's say that this narrative describes an event that actually happened between Christ and his disciples. And, let's assume that He was indeed the Messiah and God Incarnate and/or the second member of a Godhead.
Here's the question: Did Jesus make a mistake when he called Judas Iscariot to be an Apostle...one of the twelve? Why or why not?
Did everything turn out okay?
Regards, MG
I don't know, did Han make a mistake when he trusted Lando in the emprire strikes back? Why or why not?
"your reasoning that children should be experimented upon to justify a political agenda..is tantamount to the Nazi justification for experimenting on human beings."-SUBgenius on gay parents "I've stated over and over again on this forum and fully accept that I'm a bigot..." - ldsfaqs
schreech wrote:I don't know, did Han make a mistake when he trusted Lando in the emprire strikes back? Why or why not?
Really, the way to do it is to have the ability to contact your alternate timeline self:
Kirk makes the difficult decision of asking his prisoner Khan for help.... Anticipating Khan might betray him, Kirk orders Scotty to stun Khan after they take control of the bridge.
Meanwhile, Spock contacts his alternate timeline self for advice, and learns that Khan is not to be trusted.
When Kirk, Scotty, and Khan finally take over the Vengeance’s bridge, Scotty stuns Khan per Kirk’s orders.
schreech wrote:I don't know, did Han make a mistake when he trusted Lando in the emprire strikes back? Why or why not?
Really, the way to do it is to have the ability to contact your alternate timeline self:
Kirk makes the difficult decision of asking his prisoner Khan for help.... Anticipating Khan might betray him, Kirk orders Scotty to stun Khan after they take control of the bridge.
Meanwhile, Spock contacts his alternate timeline self for advice, and learns that Khan is not to be trusted.
When Kirk, Scotty, and Khan finally take over the Vengeance’s bridge, Scotty stuns Khan per Kirk’s orders.
Lol. whats also hilarious is that the betrayal by judas led to the culmination of the "atonement" and ultimate sacrifice of kal-el/Jesus so it was a planned betrayal, planned for by a super being who could see the future, that led to the ultimate good of mankind in christian lore. He is using this fable to excuse allowing sexual predators through the "inspired" mission call process by hinting that maybe there is some kind of grand plan for allowing children to be abused by Mormon missionaries. So. twisted.
"your reasoning that children should be experimented upon to justify a political agenda..is tantamount to the Nazi justification for experimenting on human beings."-SUBgenius on gay parents "I've stated over and over again on this forum and fully accept that I'm a bigot..." - ldsfaqs
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
Ouch. I’m sure this will prompt mg to reevaluate his unquestioning defense of those enabling sexual predators and reconsider his need to to make excuses for the shiat-deity he has chosen to blindly devote his life to. /s
"your reasoning that children should be experimented upon to justify a political agenda..is tantamount to the Nazi justification for experimenting on human beings."-SUBgenius on gay parents "I've stated over and over again on this forum and fully accept that I'm a bigot..." - ldsfaqs
Lemmie wrote:So, missionary calls are considered inspired if and only if after the fact they turn out okay?
I think it all comes down to this.
Answer me this those that are willing to cut some slack to the New Testament account of Christ and the Last Supper. Let's say that this narrative describes an event that actually happened between Christ and his disciples. And, let's assume that He was indeed the Messiah and God Incarnate and/or the second member of a Godhead.
Here's the question: Did Jesus make a mistake when he called Judas Iscariot to be an Apostle...one of the twelve? Why or why not?
Did everything turn out okay?
Regards, MG
Did Jesus have the Spirit of Discernment? If so, when He called Judas to the Twelve...what was that all about?
Lemmie wrote:So, missionary calls are considered inspired if and only if after the fact they turn out okay?
I think it all comes down to this.
Answer me this those that are willing to cut some slack to the New Testament account of Christ and the Last Supper. Let's say that this narrative describes an event that actually happened between Christ and his disciples. And, let's assume that He was indeed the Messiah and God Incarnate and/or the second member of a Godhead.
Here's the question: Did Jesus make a mistake when he called Judas Iscariot to be an Apostle...one of the twelve? Why or why not?
Did everything turn out okay?
Regards, MG
Not sure. I mean, Joseph Smith used Jesus' name to coerce girls, men and women into plural marriage, and his deceptions still have a hand in controlling people's lives, calling wickedness good, and good wickedness. Sounds like Jesus wouldn't be too happy with the way Mormons "use" the Atonement. "Forgive me, Emma, and let me carry on my ways...Jesus says you have to...."
mentalgymnast wrote: Did Jesus have the Spirit of Discernment? If so, when He called Judas to the Twelve...what was that all about?
Regards, MG
Not sure why you're quoting me and asking this again, did you not see all the responses?
I thought screech especially made some really good points, and of course I am always partial to plots involving Spock and alternate timelines:
Lemmie wrote:Really, the way to do it is to have the ability to contact your alternate timeline self:
Kirk makes the difficult decision of asking his prisoner Khan for help.... Anticipating Khan might betray him, Kirk orders Scotty to stun Khan after they take control of the bridge.
Meanwhile, Spock contacts his alternate timeline self for advice, and learns that Khan is not to be trusted.
When Kirk, Scotty, and Khan finally take over the Vengeance’s bridge, Scotty stuns Khan per Kirk’s orders.
schreech wrote:Lol. whats also hilarious is that the betrayal by judas led to the culmination of the "atonement" and ultimate sacrifice of kal-el/Jesus so it was a planned betrayal, planned for by a super being who could see the future, that led to the ultimate good of mankind in christian lore.
He is using this fable to excuse allowing sexual predators through the "inspired" mission call process by hinting that maybe there is some kind of grand plan for allowing children to be abused by Mormon missionaries. So. twisted.
Lemmie wrote:So, missionary calls are considered inspired if and only if after the fact they turn out okay?
MG wrote:I think it all comes down to this.
Answer me this those that are willing to cut some slack to the New Testament account of Christ and the Last Supper. Let's say that this narrative describes an event that actually happened between Christ and his disciples. And, let's assume that He was indeed the Messiah and God Incarnate and/or the second member of a Godhead.
Here's the question: Did Jesus make a mistake when he called Judas Iscariot to be an Apostle...one of the twelve? Why or why not?
Did everything turn out okay?
Meadowchik wrote:Not sure.
It's a tough call, isn't it? This whole business of free will seems to run the show here on planet earth. Whether you believe in God or not.
Did Jesus have the power of discernment? Back to Judas...