Kaysville, UT homeowners show up in large numbers to oppose warming center

[bill4long]

If such a "warming center" were proposed to be built around my neighborhood, I most certainly would oppose it. I'm a homeowner in a nice and safe neighborhood and I want to keep it that way. What rational person wouldn't?

I don't want drug addicts and mentally ill people wandering around the neighborhood. I don't want my property devalued. If they were going to build it on the edge of town, I wouldn't care, and I would probably donate money to it.

If the city council insists on doing things like this, they should fuqq off and put them in their own neighborhoods.

Just like Jesus would have wanted.

In a few decades I’m sure these Mormons will be fully secular atheists, converted to their new religion of “not in my backyard.”

I couldn't care less about "what Jesus would want." Assuming he exists, I don't know him, and neither do you.

But do tell us about yourself? You live in a slum or something? Do you have kids? Do you give a crap about crime in your neighborhood? Are you a renter or a homeowner? Do you have an EBT card? Do you receive a government subsidy?

[drumdude]

Just like Jesus would have wanted.

In a few decades I’m sure these Mormons will be fully secular atheists, converted to their new religion of “not in my backyard.”

I couldn't care less about "what Jesus would want." Assuming he exists, I don't know him, and neither do you.

But do tell us about yourself? You live in a slum or something? Do you have an EBT card?

I’m not a performative Mormon male trying to convince the world that they should follow my religion and donate to my church leaders while refusing to follow Christ and help those in need.

That’s the topic of the thread, in case you missed it.

[bill4long]

I couldn't care less about "what Jesus would want." Assuming he exists, I don't know him, and neither do you.

But do tell us about yourself? You live in a slum or something? Do you have an EBT card?

I’m not a performative Mormon male trying to convince the world that they should follow my religion and donate to my church leaders while refusing to follow Christ and help those in need.

That’s the topic of the thread, in case you missed it.

Barking about hypocracy is just not persuasive. Maybe they're hypocrites. I couldn't care less. As humans they have their own best interests in mind. And they should. Why not grow up and just realize that humans, regardless of what they preach and cling to for comfort, are primarily self-concerned, and it's rational. Your whining won't change a thing. Except maybe make you feel a little bit better about your wonderful self.

[MG 2.0]

I’m not a performative Mormon male trying to convince the world that they should follow my religion and donate to my church leaders while refusing to follow Christ and help those in need.

That’s the topic of the thread, in case you missed it.

Barking about hypocracy is just not persuasive. Maybe they're hypocrites. I couldn't care less. As humans they have their own best interests in mind. And they should. Why not grow up and just realize that humans, regardless of what they preach and cling to for comfort, are primarily self-concerned, and it's rational. Your whining won't change a thing. Except maybe make you feel a little bit better about your wonderful self.

There may be an important point being made here.

Regards,
MG

[bill4long]

Barking about hypocracy is just not persuasive. Maybe they're hypocrites. I couldn't care less. As humans they have their own best interests in mind. And they should. Why not grow up and just realize that humans, regardless of what they preach and cling to for comfort, are primarily self-concerned, and it's rational. Your whining won't change a thing. Except maybe make you feel a little bit better about your wonderful self.

There may be an important point being made here.

Regards,
MG

The thing is, Christian or not, what exactly does someone like Drumdude expect out of Christians? Are Christians obligated to go along with the degrading of their own neighborhoods? I never saw that anywhere in the Christians/Mormon scriptures. I'm not a Christian and no friend of the Mormon religion (I generally have no problem with Mormon people), but he's just being a doosh.

[Whiskey]

If such a "warming center" were proposed to be built around my neighborhood, I most certainly would oppose it. I'm a homeowner in a nice and safe neighborhood and I want to keep it that way. What rational person wouldn't?

I don't want drug addicts and mentally ill people wandering around the neighborhood. I don't want my property devalued. If they were going to build it on the edge of town, I wouldn't care, and I would probably donate money to it.

If the city council insists on doing things like this, they should fuqq off and put them in their own neighborhoods.

Just like Jesus would have wanted.

In a few decades I’m sure these Mormons will be fully secular atheists, converted to their new religion of “not in my backyard.”

No. I think we agreed that Jesus is a hard pass on crackheads and crackbabies in the house but they are fine in the backyard. Under roof, I think, was Jesus's dealbreaker.

[MG 2.0]

There may be an important point being made here.

Regards,
MG

The thing is, Christian or not, what exactly does someone like Drumdude expect out of Christians? Are Christians obligated to go along with the degrading of their own neighborhoods? I never saw that anywhere in the Christians/Mormon scriptures. I'm not a Christian and no friend of the Mormon religion (I generally have no problem with Mormon people), but he's just being a doosh.

People are going to have their own opinions on things, including how to deal with the homeless situation. And in this case, providing temporary shelter from the cold. Yes, Christian teachings teach us to love our brother/sister. On the ground, however, there are complications to following this injunction of the Savior (I'm saying this as a believer) and the realities of what is occurring...or may occur...on the ground. People worry about their kids. They worry about crime. They want their women to be safe and protected from the dangers of rape, they are concerned about the integrity (property values, etc.) of their neighborhoods, etc.

If I understand correctly, the number of beds in shelters has been going up in Utah for a number of years but the number of homeless has also increased exponentially. It's an ongoing and difficult problem which many people are trying to find solutions to. Christians and non Christians.

I think it is unfortunate when drumdude and others 'pile on' people that live in Utah and/or conclude that Mormonism is at the root of all evil.

Regards,
MG

[Chap]

People [..] want their women to be safe and protected from the dangers of rape,

Hmm. Looks like 'people' means 'men' in MG's head. In any case, I am not at all sure that the women in my family would want me to refer to them as 'my women'.

Yes, Christian teachings teach us to love our brother/sister. On the ground, however, there are complications to following this injunction of the Savior

I love it. Did Jesus ever refer to the need to take account of those 'complications'' I wonder? Somewhere in the Sermon on the Mount, perhaps: "By the way, you don't need to do any of this stuff if it may be a bit risky, or might cause a decrease in your property values". That bit must have dropped out during the Great Apostasy.

Why not just come right out and say "We admire this guy and sing hymns and say prayers about following our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. But we know he didn't really want us to take him literally, because that might sometimes get us into trouble."

So, what do Christians do that is so different and superior to everybody else, I wonder?

[MG 2.0]

People [..] want their women to be safe and protected from the dangers of rape,

Hmm. Looks like 'people' means 'men' in MG's head. In any case, I am not at all sure that the women in my family would want me to refer to them as 'my women'.

Same here.

That doesn’t detract from what has been said.

Regards,
MG

[drumdude]

People [..] want their women to be safe and protected from the dangers of rape,

Hmm. Looks like 'people' means 'men' in MG's head. In any case, I am not at all sure that the women in my family would want me to refer to them as 'my women'.

Yes, Christian teachings teach us to love our brother/sister. On the ground, however, there are complications to following this injunction of the Savior

I love it. Did Jesus ever refer to the need to take account of those 'complications'' I wonder? Somewhere in the Sermon on the Mount, perhaps: "By the way, you don't need to do any of this stuff if it may be a bit risky, or might cause a decrease in your property values". That bit must have dropped out during the Great Apostasy.

Why not just come right out and say "We admire this guy and sing hymns and say prayers about following our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. But we know he didn't really want us to take him literally, because that might sometimes get us into trouble."

So, what do Christians do that is so different and superior to everybody else, I wonder?

It’s very interesting to see how upset they get about simply pointing out the hypocrisy. The equivocation over it is pretty weak.