Temples dotting/covering the earth.

[Shulem]

Brigham Young prophesied...

That monster has no credibility on this board or in the world and very little in the Mormon church today.

Would you like to quote some of his more racist comments?

He was a tyrant and an evil bastard. There was nothing holy about that man.

May he rot in hell.

[Shulem]

Brigham Young said a lot of things, including many that the Mormons now disavow.

Boy, that's for sure!

[Shulem]

Brigham Young prophesied.....His prophecy is evident today.

So is the black man!

Quote him, please.

[I Have Questions]

An important thing to remember that critics often seem to either forget or ignore is that tithing remains the primary, ongoing source of funding for general Church operations, including building and maintaining temples globally.

Can you support that baseless assertion with any facts? You must be able to because you asserted it as a fact. However, I don’t think you can. You have not got a clue how much tithing the Church receives. You have not got a clue what it costs to operate the Church and maintain its buildings. But maybe I’m wrong and you’ll supply the data to back up your claim…I’m guessing you won’t. Which will speak volumes about you.

[Marcus]

My initial point in the OP is that it takes a LOT of money to do that. The church is not hoarding its wealth as much as it is using those resources to bless the lives of the Latter-Day Saints and those that have passed on without receiving the ordinances of the Gospel.

And voila! The troll reveals himself.

I read somewhere a church leader said the goal was to have a temple within two hours of every member. Of course, he must mean every tithe-paying member family. Also, I noticed the lds church seems to buy up a lot of the properties around temples, which they then lease. Is the lds church following something like Scientology's strategy?

The Church of Scientology (COS) has been buying up properties in Clearwater. By 2019, 185 properties covering 101 acres of commercial real estate in downtown Clearwater were owned by COS or its members. According to an investigative report by the Tampa Bay Times, half were bought in the 20 months prior to the report, and numerous properties lay vacant.[2] By 2024, that number had swelled to 200 properties purchased since 2017, leaving just 7 remaining non-Scientology owners of commercial properties in the downtown core, while "most of the vacancies in the downtown core are in buildings owned by companies tied to the church", according to the Times.[3] Former Scientology official Tom De Vocht suggested COS was creating a buffer around its core properties to keep the public away.[2]

About 75% of the Church's holdings in Clearwater are exempt from property taxes because of "religious purposes". The use of the Fort Harrison Hotel was a combination of hotel and religious services, since their purchase in 1975—until the Flag Building was opened in 2013 and the Fort Harrison was renovated and reopened as a hotel only. The Church saved approximately $1.2 million in property taxes on this property alone.[4][5]: 356 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_properties

[Marcus]

Maybe they are following the 'Ideal Org' model for their temples:

Ideal Orgs
Starting in 2003 Miscavige began pressuring local Churches of Scientology to purchase larger facilities to use as Scientology centers which would be renovated to become "Ideal Orgs".[115] The theory was "If you build it they will come."[4]: 348 

...With its membership numbers dwindling, Scientology's ideal org campaign has been called "a real estate scam", a "money-making scam", and "Scientology's principle cash cow".[116][4]: 347  Scientologists were heavily pressured during lengthy fundraising sessions to donate all their money and even open new credit lines to help fund the several million dollar building purchases. This resulted in less money to spend on normal services like training and auditing, so the new orgs became desolate.

...A 2010 survey of former Scientologists by former Church of Scientology executive Mike Rinder found that the most cited reason for leaving the Church was the unrelenting pressure to donate to programs such as the Ideal Org program.[4]: 349

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of ... iller_30-3

[bolding added by me]

[Shulem]

Brigham Young prophesied that whenever Latter-day Saints began building a temple, "all hell was in arms against us," meaning Satan and his forces fiercely oppose temple construction because temples provide power and protection against him, allowing for sacred ordinances like baptism for the dead. He famously stated, "We never began to build any temple without the bells of hell beginning to ring," but also expressed eagerness to hear those bells ring again, showing resolve to build despite opposition for the work of salvation.

His prophecy is evident today.

I fail to see how the above statement and citation is a prophecy, per se. It speaks in the present or past tense: "all hell was in arms against us," and yet welcomes future resistance whenever and if it comes.

What kind of prophecies did Brigham Young (want-to-be-prophet) mumble about the black man, MG?

Dare to cite those things?

Tell us about racist Brigham Young and barring black folk from the temple!

[I Have Questions]

Brigham Young prophesied that whenever Latter-day Saints began building a temple, "all hell was in arms against us," meaning Satan and his forces fiercely oppose temple construction because temples provide power and protection against him, allowing for sacred ordinances like baptism for the dead. He famously stated, "We never began to build any temple without the bells of hell beginning to ring," but also expressed eagerness to hear those bells ring again, showing resolve to build despite opposition for the work of salvation.

His prophecy is evident today.

I fail to see how the above statement and citation is a prophecy, per se. It speaks in the present or past tense: "all hell was in arms against us," and yet welcomes future resistance whenever and if it comes.

What kind of prophecies did Brigham Young (want-to-be-prophet) mumble about the black man, MG?

Dare to cite those things?

Tell us about racist Brigham Young and barring black folk from the temple!

MG 2.0 is referencing something from the Journal of Discourses as a source of official prophesy by Brigham Young. However, the Church has distanced itself from the comet of the Journal of Discourses, saying…

The Journal of Discourses includes interesting and insightful teachings by early Church leaders; however, by itself it is not an authoritative source of Church doctrine.

Not only that, MG 2.0 was also wrong about what Brigham Young said. He is putting a prophesy in Brigham Young’s mouth. This is what Young said

We never yet commenced to lay the foundation of a temple but what all hell was in arms against us.

A complaint that local people distrusted the Church’s motives for temples. But no prophesy. That people still distrust the Church’s motives suggests Mormons have done a spectacularly bad job over the last 150 years of explaining to the world what temples are for.

For members in the Western world, the attraction of a temple coming into their area isn’t the improved convenience of its location, it is an anticipation of improved real estate values. I’ve heard that several times for different temple announcements.

[Everybody Wang Chung]

My initial point in the OP is that it takes a LOT of money to do that. The church is not hoarding its wealth as much as it is using those resources to bless the lives of the Latter-Day Saints and those that have passed on without receiving the ordinances of the Gospel.

Fibber,

Ensign Peak and other investments generate $80 million a day. That’s $30 billion a year. To put that in perspective, the church could bulldoze every single chapel, temple, and stake center on the planet today and rebuild them tomorrow without breaking a sweat and not even come close to touching the principal. For the church, a worldwide construction spree isn't a budget item, it’s rounding error. At this point, they aren't saving for a rainy day, they're just hoarding.

[malkie]

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MG 2.0 is referencing something from the Journal of Discourses as a source of official prophesy by Brigham Young. However, the Church has distanced itself from the comet of the Journal of Discourses, saying…

The Journal of Discourses includes interesting and insightful teachings by early Church leaders; however, by itself it is not an authoritative source of Church doctrine.

Interestingly, it was not always thus. Here is how Volume 8 of the Journal of Discourses introduces itself in the days of BY as Prophet and President of the church. Note the source of the quote: FAIR:

The [sic] deservedly ranks as one of the standard works of the Church, and every rightminded Saint will certainly welcome with joy every Number as it comes forth from the press as an additional reflector of "the light that shines from Zion's hill."

We rejoice, therefore, in being able to present to the Saints another completed Volume—the Eighth of the series; and, in doing so, we sincerely commend the varied and important instructions it contains to their earnest consideration.

[my bolding]
Journal of Discourses, Volume 8

Note FAIR's description of itself:

FAIR is a non-profit organization dedicated to providing well-documented answers to criticisms of the doctrine, practice, and history of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

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... That people still distrust the Church’s motives suggests Mormons have done a spectacularly bad job over the last 150 years of explaining to the world what temples are for.

For members in the Western world, the attraction of a temple coming into their area isn’t the improved convenience of its location, it is an anticipation of improved real estate values. I’ve heard that many times for different temple announcements.

To be fair, IHQ, it could be that Mormons have not done a spectacularly bad job of explaining to the world what temples are for. It could also be that, even with a clear explanation, people still do not want Mormon temples in their neighbourhood.