Luckless Nephite DNA and the Maya

[IHAQ]

Personally, I have talked to one very well-published geneticist who Mopologists have used in the past. He pretty much said his comments were taken out of context. But because of his LDS membership, he doesn't want to challenge the way they presented his comments. So now he just says he is busy and isn't interested in that subject anymore

What is Ugo doing these days?

[simon southerton]

Personally, I have talked to one very well-published geneticist who Mopologists have used in the past. He pretty much said his comments were taken out of context. But because of his LDS membership, he doesn't want to challenge the way they presented his comments. So now he just says he is busy and isn't interested in that subject anymore

What is Ugo doing these days?

He is director of seminary and institute in Rome Italy, and is loosely affiliated with a university there. His income and retirement pension are entirely dependent on him saying nothing to embarrass the church. He gets his name on the odd scientific paper because he has access to so much data from his time in the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation, which is now closed.

[Brack]

I remember this being posted on the old board.

Maya civilization developed in Mesoamerica and encompassed the Yucatan Peninsula, Guatemala, Belize, part of the Mexican states of Tabasco and Chiapas, and the western parts of Honduras and El Salvador. This civilization persisted approximately 3,000 years and was one of the most advanced of its time, possessing the only known full writing system at the time, as well as art, sophisticated architecture, and mathematical and astronomical systems.

The mtDNA haplogroup frequency in the pre-Hispanic Maya population (60.53%, 34.21%, and 5.26% for haplogroups A, C, and D, respectively) was similar to that of most Mexican and Guatemalan Maya populations, with haplogroup A exhibiting the highest frequency. Haplogroup B most likely arrived independently and mixed with populations carrying haplogroups A and C based on its absence in the pre-Hispanic Mexican Maya populations and low frequencies in most Mexican and Guatemalan Maya populations, although this also may be due to drift.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28162001/

http://www.mormondiscussions.com/viewto ... =1&t=46666

[Brack]

I haven't seen Simon's new book on Amazon.

[simon southerton]

I remember this being posted on the old board.

Maya civilization developed in Mesoamerica and encompassed the Yucatan Peninsula, Guatemala, Belize, part of the Mexican states of Tabasco and Chiapas, and the western parts of Honduras and El Salvador. This civilization persisted approximately 3,000 years and was one of the most advanced of its time, possessing the only known full writing system at the time, as well as art, sophisticated architecture, and mathematical and astronomical systems.

The mtDNA haplogroup frequency in the pre-Hispanic Maya population (60.53%, 34.21%, and 5.26% for haplogroups A, C, and D, respectively) was similar to that of most Mexican and Guatemalan Maya populations, with haplogroup A exhibiting the highest frequency. Haplogroup B most likely arrived independently and mixed with populations carrying haplogroups A and C based on its absence in the pre-Hispanic Mexican Maya populations and low frequencies in most Mexican and Guatemalan Maya populations, although this also may be due to drift.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28162001/

http://www.mormondiscussions.com/viewto ... =1&t=46666

The authors of this paper are basing the highlighted claim on their analysis of just 23 ancient individuals. Their claim is pure speculation. The table below shows the occurrence of the A,B,C and D lineages in the ancient and contemporary Maya from all studies to date. The B lineage is found in ancient individuals, albeit at a lower frequency. The absence of the lineage in the populations they sampled is much more likely to be due to insufficient sampling.

It is extremely unlikely that the B lineage arrived independently in a separate migration. A reviewer should have picked that up.

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[simon southerton]

I haven't seen Simon's new book on Amazon.

It's not on Amazon. It is a 100 page e-book that can be purchased here. https://simonsoutherton.com/

There's a good chance it will be published in expanded form in the next few years.

[Rivendale]

What is Ugo doing these days?

He is director of seminary and institute in Rome Italy, and is loosely affiliated with a university there. His income and retirement pension are entirely dependent on him saying nothing to embarrass the church. He gets his name on the odd scientific paper because he has access to so much data from his time in the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation, which is now closed.

Sandra Tanner mentioned this in her Dehlin interview a few days ago. How can they hold a pension hostage? I was in education for 30 years and they make it difficult to leave until after 30 years but at no point could they cancel it. Are universities on a different system? Do they use a combination of age and years?

[Fence Sitter]

He [Ugo Perego] is director of seminary and institute in Rome Italy, and is loosely affiliated with a university there. His income and retirement pension are entirely dependent on him saying nothing to embarrass the church. He gets his name on the odd scientific paper because he has access to so much data from his time in the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation, which is now closed.

Under the heading of "things that make you go Hmmmmmm..."

The leading DNA apologist for the LDS is living in Italy working as a seminary director. Color me suspicious but if that doesn't scream "the Church wants him out of touch with membership regarding his DNA work", what would?

[simon southerton]

Personally, I have talked to one very well-published geneticist who Mopologists have used in the past. He pretty much said his comments were taken out of context. But because of his LDS membership, he doesn't want to challenge the way they presented his comments. So now he just says he is busy and isn't interested in that subject anymore

What is Ugo doing these days?

Keith Crandall was the DNA poster child for a while and made all sorts of careless (and false) claims. I suspect he joined the church at BYU to fit in and advance his career. But he has moved far from the clutches of BYU. I would love to know if he still attends. I very much doubt it.

[Philo Sofee]

What is Ugo doing these days?

Keith Crandall was the DNA poster child for a while and made all sorts of careless (and false) claims. I suspect he joined the church at BYU to fit in and advance his career. But he has moved far from the clutches of BYU. I would love to know if he still attends. I very much doubt it.

Is this the guy you are talking about?
https://www.google.com/search?q=keith+c ... e&ie=UTF-8