Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means

[_Kishkumen]

I have no desire for Simon or anyone else to lose their testimony or leave the LDS Church. If anything, I want the Church to do better to be worthy of members' devotion and faithfulness. I don't see that Mormonism is any more or less ludicrous than other religions. I see the potential for much good in it. In fact, I self-identify as Mormon. It is the tradition that shaped me. I just don't accept this meaning that I can't criticize anything or disagree with apologists. I don't care what any apologist says to the contrary.

Oh, and Nightlion is the man. Amen.

[_asbestosman]

Next week it will be Lime flavored I hear.

Shucks, you've got me all wrong . . .

Ohhh. I better stop quick. I hate lime.

I just don't accept this meaning that I can't criticize anything or disagree with apologists. I don't care what any apologist says to the contrary.

Sure. I don't see why not. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that a faithful member could criticize apologists--something they are not supposed to do to prophets and general authorities.

[_Darth J]

Kishkumen:

Simon Belmont is here to tell you that you're not allowed to self-identify as a Mormon, nor to claim to know what the LDS Church teaches.

It's "his" church.

[_Shulem]

I have no desire for Simon or anyone else to lose their testimony or leave the LDS Church. If anything, I want the Church to do better to be worthy of members' devotion and faithfulness. I don't see that Mormonism is any more or less ludicrous than other religions. I see the potential for much good in it. In fact, I self-identify as Mormon. It is the tradition that shaped me. I just don't accept this meaning that I can't criticize anything or disagree with apologists. I don't care what any apologist says to the contrary.

Oh, and Nightlion is the man. Amen.

You make me sick, Kishy-boy. Go back to church and sit in the pews, you traitor -- weepy eyed fool. And, take Facsimile No. 3 and its Explanations and shove it up your Mormon hole. Blah!!

Paul O

[_thews]

So that all whining might stop. Keep drinking stem's Kool-Aid. Next week it will be Lime flavored I hear.

I laughed out loud.

[_Darth J]

Simon Belmont is simply parroting Mopologist dogma that only active, believing members of the LDS Church are capable of determining what LDS doctrine even is. I offer as an example FAIR talking about Gordon B. Hinckley's interview in Time magazine where he said he doesn't know that we teach or emphasize eternal progression:

http://www.fairlds.org/Misc/Does_Presid ... trine.html

The individuals from Time who were involved with the published article are not members of the LDS Church, nor do they understand LDS doctrine. The same is true of Mr. Wilson. Those who do not attend Sunday School, Sacrament meeting, priesthood meeting, Relief Society, Ward Conference, Stake Conference, General Conference, or read the Ensign, scriptures, nor study LDS manuals, have no right to define for those that do, just what the beliefs of the members of the Church are.

And it's not as if formerly believers, who are still members of the Church, have ever attended Sunday School, Sacrament meeting, priesthood meeting, Relief Society, Ward Conference, Stake Conference, General Conference, or read the Ensign, scriptures, or studied LDS manuals.

And yet while I was on my mission, we were supposed to ask investigators to be baptized during the second missionary discussion. Isn't it funny how you have enough knowledge and understanding to be asked to join the Church after only two missionary discussions, but 20-30 years in the Church as an active believer is not sufficient to know or understand what the Church teaches?

[_Kishkumen]

You make me sick, Kishy-boy. Go back to church and sit in the pews, you traitor -- weepy eyed fool. And, take Facsimile No. 3 and its Explanations and shove it up your Mormon hole. Blah!!

Paul O

LOL!!!

You go, Paul. Rage on!

[_Kishkumen]

Kishkumen:

Simon Belmont is here to tell you that you're not allowed to self-identify as a Mormon, nor to claim to know what the LDS Church teaches.

It's "his" church.

I stand corrected. I wouldn't claim to be the authority on what the Church teaches, nor do I really care all that much. Doctrine only has theoretical value when no one can reliably pin down what it is. I doubt it matters really. Obedience is far more important than being 'right' about stuff no one is able to define anyway. It mostly matters that you agree that the Brethren speak it, while others listen and assent to the Brethren. I don't think anyone would mistake me for a good LDS feller. What do you think? LOL!

[_Shulem]

You make me sick, Kishy-boy. Go back to church and sit in the pews, you traitor -- weepy eyed fool. And, take Facsimile No. 3 and its Explanations and shove it up your Mormon hole. Blah!!

Paul O

LOL!!!

You go, Paul. Rage on!

At least I'm not the one laughing while sitting on the Mormon bench, you fool. You might as well partake of the bread and water too -- and lick Jesus' body all over. You traitor. You can get out of my kingdom. I want no such men in it!

Paul O

[_Kishkumen]

At least I'm not the one laughing while sitting on the Mormon bench, you fool. You might as well partake of the bread and water too -- and lick Jesus' body all over. You traitor. You can get out of my kingdom. I want no such men in it!

Paul O

Wow, Paul. You've become just as judgmental as God Almighty. No lukewarm for you, eh?