Interpreter apologists wrestle with Nephi’s transoceanic vessel

[canpakes]

QUESTION

How many days has passed prior to Nephi striking two stones together to produce a fire for the bellows in which he constructed to built a ship?

Two days.

Here’s the sequence of events:



Bang stones together.



Finish ship.

[Moksha]

And no, I’d prefer not to see the exorcist.

Regards,
MG

Good for you. I would only do that as a last resort if I was spewing green vomit and my head was spinning around in a 360-degree manner. Posting a few misleading apologetic pictures certainly does not qualify for mistreatment. Just tell them it was by hocus pocus and then smooth sailing to the shores of Delmarva.

[Shulem]

Just tell them it was by hocus pocus and then smooth sailing to the shores of Delmarva.

Indeed, Joseph Smith envisioned those tall timbers being hewn down with Nephi's long ax and cut and trimmed to frame a wonderful ship in which they could miraculously sail to the southern tip of Delmarva in which they founded the land of Nephi.

• All of it is imagination.

• All of it is just a story.

• All of it is fiction.

Amen and amen. Let all the congregation say, "AMEN"!

PS. I'm excited about the prospect of the Backyard Professor opening his eyes and letting the truth flow into his mind about Delmarva and how it is the only possible explanation to the whole riddle which surrounds Joseph Smith and his Book of Mormon. It all fits, rather perfectly. Then, he can broadcast it on Professor Mountain where it will be heard far and wide.

Yeah baby!!

[Shulem]

You are focused on a splotch of paint rather than the whole. Neither you or anyone else…looking through the fog of history…knows everything there is to know about that splotch. Look at the whole!

MG,

Look at the fatness of this log. How wide do you think it is? It appears to be at least 12 inches in diameter, perhaps more. Do you think? I've blown the image up and examined the cut and the rings in the wood. I estimate this tree is likely over 30 years old. That makes for a very tall tree to go with the very tall lie the Church is sponsoring on its faith promoting website. The Church is lying to its people and selling a bill of goods. You should not want to be a part of that. Won't you join us in telling the truth?

[Shulem]

This screen production made by the Church is nothing more than a faith promoting lie. The Church secured special lumber, processed it just so, and hauled it to the site using engines and modern means. All of this is to try and get members to focus on miraculous things and not to question their faith or reason things out in a logical way. The Church doesn't want its members to think. It wants them to behave and act like babies wearing diapers wherein Church leaders will change their diapers and bottle feed them.

Grow up, MG. It time to grow up. Give up the faith and come to your senses. Admit that the Church is lying. Maxwell lied to you!

[Chap]

I've blown the image up and examined the cut and the rings in the wood. I estimate this tree is likely over 30 years old. That makes for a very tall tree to go with the very tall lie the Church is sponsoring on its faith promoting website.

Sorry - I don't quite get the point you are making. Of course, the kind of wood you need to make a ship would have to come from mature trees. But we didn't need the film to tell us that surely?

Certainly the film is depicting things that are highly improbable, but those things are already in the Book of Mormon.

[Shulem]

Sorry - I don't quite get the point you are making. Of course, the kind of wood you need to make a ship would have to come from mature trees. But we didn't need the film to tell us that surely?

Certainly the film is depicting things that are highly improbable, but those things are already in the Book of Mormon.

The point that I'm making is that I've hovered over the lush area of the Arabian coast using Google Earth and do not see any 50 foot trees. This means that timber of that sort would have been shipped from a far location and there would have been a shipyard and trading port. If that's the case, the story would have mentioned something, anything. And, they could have just as easily gotten a Bud Light light from a torch rather than having to strike stones to build a fire after being in Bountiful for the space of many days.

[Shulem]

And beside that, if the place was already occupied with inhabitants to include a town equipped with a ship yard, then there would have certainly been no need for Nephi to mine for ore and make a bellows. All those things would have been local and they could have bartered and traded through work or even having their fair daughters dance and perform. There are all kinds of ways they could have earned credits to obtain ready made goods. But the Book of Mormon tells us they were alone in which there was nobody else with them. Everything was specially prepared for by the Lord, NOT man. They mined their own ore. They built there own bellows and made tools and they alone constructed the ship.

[MG 2.0]

SHOW me proof.

Show me a sign, in other words. And THEN I will believe.

Common theme.

Regards,
MG

[canpakes]

MG,

Look at the fatness of this log. How wide do you think it is? It appears to be at least 12 inches in diameter, perhaps more. Do you think? I've blown the image up and examined the cut and the rings in the wood. I estimate this tree is likely over 30 years old. That makes for a very tall tree to go with the very tall lie the Church is sponsoring on its faith promoting website.

And there’s another point to go along with that.

The log shown is a modern log, likely from a genetically-optimized tree grown under ideal conditions, including sufficient rainfall.

A tree from Nephi’s supposed timeframe would grow much slower, creating a denser wood (rings much closer together) requiring more people to transport per length, and more time to work with tools … if logs of that diameter were even able to secure in the proper quantities to begin with.

MG’s apologetic sources talk about there possibly existing ‘slips’ (tie-off posts) at Khor Rori, but it doesn’t follow that any ship using them would have been built there.

As well, perhaps the better question is why Nephi and family would bother to stay at Khor Rori if needing to build a ship, instead of merely taking a boat ride at that point (the apologetic materials talk about ships and local traders there, right?) via someone else’s craft, to another area where they’d be able to much more easily procure materials and labor, to construct their own?

Either one should take the implied fact of the Book of Mormon’s narrative of there being no community of ‘others’ available to Nephi at Khor Rori or elsewhere - therefore, the entire apologetic argument presented by MG is a bit of a waste - or one invents people and commerce at Khor Rori, with Nephi then making a nonsensical decision of staying to construct his boat and a launching slip in an area not suited to the task … when he apparently had the means to go elsewhere at that point.

It seems that a boat ride is a whole lot cheaper than hitting up the local traders for timbers to be shipped in from India.