MG & JLHPROF: From Whence Come Spiritual Experiences?

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Re: MG & JLHPROF: From Whence Come Spiritual Experiences?

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mentalgymnast wrote:This is ridiculous Mental.

Troll.

I have quoted me again. As such, I am again being exposed as a liar. What does that say about ME?

What else AM I willing to do besides attribute something to me I DID say?

Can I be trusted?

(Translated from the Reformed Dipshitian)

No, you can't be trusted. And yes, you are a troll. Glad you admit it here for all to see.
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Re: MG & JLHPROF: From Whence Come Spiritual Experiences?

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grindael wrote:
mentalgymnast wrote:This is ridiculous Mental.

Troll.

I have quoted me again. As such, I am again being exposed as a liar. What does that say about ME?

What else AM I willing to do besides attribute something to me I DID say?

Can I be trusted?

(Translated from the Reformed ____)

No, you can't be trusted. And yes, you are a troll. Glad you admit it here for all to see.

Done. Have a nice day.

Derail.

Troll.

Liar.

Regards,
MG
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Re: MG & JLHPROF: From Whence Come Spiritual Experiences?

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mentalgymnast wrote:NOT Done. I'll NEVER have a nice day.

Derail.

Troll.

Liar.

I am all of the above.

(Translated from the Reformed Dipshitian by the gift and power of subjective experience and if you read, and pray, you too will know the truth of this translation by the gift and power of subjective experience or as Mental puts it a burning in the lower part)

Yes, you are all of the above. It's so very nice to see you admit it. Thank you very much. But done? No, you are not because YOU NEVER KEEP YOUR WORD. Watch and see. That is why a translation is really needed for what you claim to be saying. You're Welcome. :wink:

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Re: MG & JLHPROF: From Whence Come Spiritual Experiences?

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mentalgymnast wrote:But I chose not to answer it with all of the other 'chatter' that's been going on. It didn't interest me at the time enough to spend time with it.

Really? This is where you always go when you cannot defend your beliefs. You did it several times in this thread when you cannot defend spiritual experiences as good evidence for your beliefs. You seem to suggest faith is so important, so it seems your disinterest in my question doesn't support your claims of the importance of this faith. Perhaps your disinterest in my question is because you know your faith is not a positive trait.
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Re: MG & JLHPROF: From Whence Come Spiritual Experiences?

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Amore wrote:
DrW wrote:Yet again, and as always, you provide no evidence to back up your position. You make only bald assertions and statements of unfounded belief.

drw,
You seem to either consciously ignore or be ignorant of the fact that spirituality, beauty, & intuition are personal, subjective experiences. So there is no “evidence” to prove what you believe to be beauty or spirituality, Silly!


Sure, but so many go beyond that with their spirituality and what they think they can know as true. There is a difference between subjective truth and objective truth. One is true depending on the person, while the other is true regardless of what the individual thinks or believes.
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Themis wrote:Perhaps your disinterest in my question is because you know your faith is not a positive trait.


No. I see faith as a positive trait, although I can also see that it can be a source of concern when that faith leads one to do those things that are harmful to others.

Themis, I'm going to take a 'wait and see' and observe the responses is to the thread I started in regards to lying and misrepresentation through misquotation. I see that sort of behavior as being unproductive and trollish. I'm going to take a temporary break to see whether or not board members have an opinion on this. Depending on the group consensus, if any, I will decide whether or not entering in on a discussion is a productive vs. a waste of my time.

And the time of others that observe this silliness. I think it's an embarrassment to the board. And I don't want to be a part of it.

Regards,
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Re: MG & JLHPROF: From Whence Come Spiritual Experiences?

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Themis wrote:
Amore wrote:drw,
You seem to either consciously ignore or be ignorant of the fact that spirituality, beauty, & intuition are personal, subjective experiences. So there is no “evidence” to prove what you believe to be beauty or spirituality, Silly!


Sure, but so many go beyond that with their spirituality and what they think they can know as true. There is a difference between subjective truth and objective truth. One is true depending on the person, while the other is true regardless of what the individual thinks or believes.

Yes, so glad you seem to have understood what I posted. But I get the intuitive feeling (that I can’t prove to you) that you still don’t get it.

Let’s test you: If I have a real physical influence from believing something that isn’t true (ie placebo effect) - is that objective or subjective truth?
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Re: MG & JLHPROF: From Whence Come Spiritual Experiences?

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mentalgymnast wrote:
Themis wrote:Perhaps your disinterest in my question is because you know your faith is not a positive trait.


No. I see faith as a positive trait, although I can also see that it can be a source of concern when that faith leads one to do those things that are harmful to others.

Themis, I'm going to take a 'wait and see' and observe the responses is to the thread I started in regards to lying and misrepresentation through misquotation. I see that sort of behavior as being unproductive and trollish. I'm going to take a temporary break to see whether or not board members have an opinion on this. Depending on the group consensus, if any, I will decide whether or not entering in on a discussion is a productive vs. a waste of my time.

And the time of others that observe this silliness. I think it's an embarrassment to the board. And I don't want to be a part of it.

Regards,
MG

MG,
You have more patience than me. Of course there’s a time to joke, but children don’t understand that.

I agree that faith is a positive trait - it really is something beautiful! I feel the spirit thinking about it. I realize the spirit doesn’t come with a manual of explanation, but is a precious intuitive gift that can make life better. A friend (not LDS, not even religious) often warns not to cast pearls before swine. I think there’s some truth in that, then again, I think we can benefit from helping one another. I guess it’s one of those things that require intuitive discretion.

I appreciate your perspectives. Have a good one!
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Amore wrote:Let’s test you: If I have a real physical influence from believing something that isn’t true (ie placebo effect) - is that objective or subjective truth?


This is a valid question. Placebo effects can create an objective finding, but only in the workings of the chemistry within the mind and body. Does that internal personal objective truth translate to an external objective truth?
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Re: MG & JLHPROF: From Whence Come Spiritual Experiences?

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mentalgymnast wrote:
I'm going to take a 'wait and see' and observe the responses is to the thread I started in regards to MY lying and misrepresentation through misquotation. I see that sort of behavior as being unproductive and trollish. I'm going to take a temporary break to see whether or not board members have an opinion on this. Depending on the group consensus, if any, I will decide whether or not entering in on a discussion is a productive vs. a waste of my time.

And the time of others that observe this silliness. I think it's an embarrassment to the board. And I don't want to be a part of it.

Regards,
MG
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I make stuff up. Even here on a board like this. Go figure. What is kind of silly, in a way, is that it would take me so long to figure that out. Maybe I didn't want to think it was true. Maybe I give too much the 'benefit of a doubt' to myself. I guess I should know better.


(Translated from the Reformed Dipshitian by the gift and power of subjective experience)

From the looks of it, your whinefest isn't generating much interest. But do indeed carry on. Being trolled sucks, doesn't it? And I'll NEVER STOP until you stop posting crap on my threads. I'm sick to death of your derailments. This is a taste of your own medicine. Enjoy!
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Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors.
One focal point in a random world can change your direction:
One step where events converge may alter your perception.
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