The Long and Winding Road (To Ruin) or Eight Days a Week (Of Woe): Mormon Apostle Blames the Beatles for Society's Ills

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Re: The Long and Winding Road (To Ruin) or Eight Days a Week (Of Woe): Mormon Apostle Blames the Beatles for Society's I

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huckelberry wrote:
Sun Dec 14, 2025 2:25 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Dec 12, 2025 9:01 pm
Truthfully, I think we would have to sit in a circle in a room and have a transactional face to face discussion on this rather sensitive topic. Want to arrange that? I’ll show up if it isn’t too far away. Please, after Christmas. ;)

I REALLY don’t know any of you people. The funny thing is, you somehow think you know me so well…

Let me know where and when. I’ll bring ice cream if you’ll bring the toppings. Know alcohol or mind altering drugs. Let’s keep it real. :)

Real life group dynamics aren’t even closely aligned with the realities of a board like this one. Man, what would it be like to sit down with some of you with a bowl of ice cream in hand. :lol:

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MG, you questioning us about our sins and desire to sin would not be more pleasant in person than it is here.
When sitting face to face with a bowl of ice cream discussing sins isn't the first thing that comes to mind. I think you know what I meant. Years ago I ate lunch with two different board members and, at least in my estimation, had a wonderful time/conversation.

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Re: The Long and Winding Road (To Ruin) or Eight Days a Week (Of Woe): Mormon Apostle Blames the Beatles for Society's I

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 2:41 am
huckelberry wrote:
Sun Dec 14, 2025 2:25 pm
MG, you questioning us about our sins and desire to sin would not be more pleasant in person than it is here.
When sitting face to face with a bowl of ice cream discussing sins isn't the first thing that comes to mind. I think you know what I meant. Years ago I ate lunch with two different board members and, at least in my estimation, had a wonderful time/conversation...
A wonderful time? With participants from here??? What about this?
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...As I've said many times, this place is an echo chamber of discontented folks who just don't like the church/gospel and what it asks us (them at one time) to do. When this is the case, one will crawl over and under and around anything, including decent people that would like to share 'out of the box' thinking showing how the gospel/church can be dovetailed with reality as we see it in the world. We're simply called names or given ineligibility status which forfeits, for all intents and purposes, our participating in good faith...
And this:
...OK. This should get another two or three pages...
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Re: The Long and Winding Road (To Ruin) or Eight Days a Week (Of Woe): Mormon Apostle Blames the Beatles for Society's I

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Dec 12, 2025 9:01 pm
Truthfully, I think we would have to sit in a circle in a room and have a transactional face to face discussion on this rather sensitive topic. Want to arrange that? I’ll show up if it isn’t too far away. Please, after Christmas. ;)

I REALLY don’t know any of you people. The funny thing is, you somehow think you know me so well…
You raise an interesting point MG. All we know of you is your board persona, and that 'personality' has been remarkably consistent over a long period of time. You haven't changed your style, your views, your beliefs, how you interact badly with female posters, how you like to slag off posters who have left Church activity and come up with all sorts of glib and tired "sins" as the reasons for them doing so. You've been a nasty little insecure vacuous troll of a poster for many, many years. So yes, board members know your board personality very well. Are you saying that you are somehow different in real life? That you change your behaviour when you get behind your keyboard and post on this board as some kind of conscious choice? Are you in fact just a keyboard warrior (which would explain your failure to secure any kind of seniority in the Church)? I might have that all wrong, I've only got your board participation to go on.

The one board member who has admitting meeting you in real life (albeit briefly) is remarkably disappointed by your board personality, and is struggling to contrast that with the person he met. Were you putting on a fake Mormon front when you met him?
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 2:41 am
When sitting face to face with a bowl of ice cream discussing sins isn't the first thing that comes to mind. I think you know what I meant. Years ago I ate lunch with two different board members and, at least in my estimation, had a wonderful time/conversation.

Regards,
MG
It would be interesting to hear their side of that story.
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Re: The Long and Winding Road (To Ruin) or Eight Days a Week (Of Woe): Mormon Apostle Blames the Beatles for Society's I

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Packer in 1973 said
“Music,” Addison said, “is the only sensual gratification in which mankind may indulge to excess without injury to their moral or religious feelings.”

If that were true in his day, it is not in ours. Music, once that innocent, now is often used for wicked purposes.

It has been obvious for centuries that lyrics of the worst kind can be set to music that is innocent of itself. Words which are bad can be set to music which is otherwise good, and lead men astray.
I guess the leadership of the Church that was caught red handed in a complex web of shell company manipulation by the SEC, designed to nefariously hide financial information from authorities who have a legal right to that information, and members who have a moral right to that information, might take umbrage at the following wicked lyrics..."Do what is right let the consequence follow..." and "Choose the right, when a choice is placed before you..."

Church leaders don't need music to facilitate wicked purposes, they just need shadows.
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Re: The Long and Winding Road (To Ruin) or Eight Days a Week (Of Woe): Mormon Apostle Blames the Beatles for Society's I

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I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:55 am
The one board member who has admitting meeting you in real life (albeit briefly) is remarkably disappointed by your board personality, and is struggling to contrast that with the person he met. Were you putting on a fake Mormon front when you met him?
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 2:41 am
When sitting face to face with a bowl of ice cream discussing sins isn't the first thing that comes to mind. I think you know what I meant. Years ago I ate lunch with two different board members and, at least in my estimation, had a wonderful time/conversation.

Regards,
MG
It would be interesting to hear their side of that story.
I was one of the people with whom MG 2.0 had lunch (although it was closer to dinner). I am *NOT* the one who was "remarkably disappointed by [his] board personality." I'm not ashamed to say that he is right; we had a very fun time/conversation.
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Re: The Long and Winding Road (To Ruin) or Eight Days a Week (Of Woe): Mormon Apostle Blames the Beatles for Society's I

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Dr. Shades wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 12:56 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:55 am
The one board member who has admitting meeting you in real life (albeit briefly) is remarkably disappointed by your board personality, and is struggling to contrast that with the person he met. Were you putting on a fake Mormon front when you met him?
It would be interesting to hear their side of that story.
I was one of the people with whom MG 2.0 had lunch (although it was closer to dinner). I am *NOT* the one who was "remarkably disappointed by [his] board personality." I'm not ashamed to say that he is right; we had a very fun time/conversation.
Wow! And he leverages that good experience by trying as hard as he can to flout, bend, circumvent, and ignore the rules of the discussion board that you set up and operate, knowing that you’ll give him greater dispensation than you give people you don’t know. That’s incredible. It makes his ongoing behaviour infinitely more inexplicable. It does make it more understandable why you’ve gone to the lengths you have to avoid dealing with his ongoing rule breaking. Reporting his behaviour is seemingly a waste of everyone’s time.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 12:56 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 10:55 am
The one board member who has admitting meeting you in real life (albeit briefly) is remarkably disappointed by your board personality, and is struggling to contrast that with the person he met. Were you putting on a fake Mormon front when you met him?
It would be interesting to hear their side of that story.
I was one of the people with whom MG 2.0 had lunch (although it was closer to dinner). I am *NOT* the one who was "remarkably disappointed by [his] board personality." I'm not ashamed to say that he is right; we had a very fun time/conversation.
for what it's worth, I am likely the board member you are referring to. My wife & I met MG for a 15-20 minute conversation, about 10 years ago, and left on (as far as I'm concerned) good terms. I believe it was a year or two after that when I asked MG if he thought that his treatment of board members was in line with church teachings, because I didn't.

My recollection is that MG characterized his actions as justified retaliation for how he was treated by others. Based on what I've seen subsequently I'd guess that he likely feels much the same. As a result I've not tried to meet MG in real life on later occasions when I was passing by. I have met (or tried and failed to meet) other online "Mormon" folks, some of whom I keep in touch with, albeit sporadically.

I've no way of answering the question about who the real MG is, but I was sure, at the time, that I had met the real one.
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Re: The Long and Winding Road (To Ruin) or Eight Days a Week (Of Woe): Mormon Apostle Blames the Beatles for Society's I

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Unfortunately I am being grossly mischaracterized and unfairly treated by two board posters. IHAQ and Marcus. They have not been able to forgive and forget what they perceive to be past misdeeds. We may disagree on that in some respects, but I've been able to move past it. They haven't. Recently I used the term "mind virus". If you have a small nucleus of people that spread contagion in a room, it spreads. It has. As I've scanned through the postings of these two people I've again realized that I've made the right choice in not engaging with them (and a few others). The consequence is that they can, and are, continuing their vendetta against me.

This being the case, there will obviously be fewer interactions that I have with the board since it is these two posters that are typically hyper aware of what is going on in most threads and jump in regularly. This prohibits me, by default, in participating in some threads that I might like to. If I do jump in, I can be sure these two are going to carry on with their diatribes, mischaracterizations, and false innuendos. Essentially, making mountains out of molehills. It is a waste of my time and every one else concerned to have to wade through the crap to get to anything substantive. When I take the time to give what I believe to be a thoughtful response to a poster it doesn't take long for one of these two to come in and blow up the conversation or misdirect it into an 'all about MG' thread.

Frankly, that's a bit embarrassing. I don't like being the focus of a thread. I would rather discuss ideas and possible solutions to some of the dilemmas that some folks find themselves in regarding the church/gospel. That seems to be strictly verboten. And then another poster comes in and uses some kind of funky word analysis to paint me in a light that makes it appear as though I have less than worthy motives for my posting style and the things that I say.

The virus takes hold.

Rather than expose myself to that viral contagion and then have other posters subjected to the results of what occurs as a result of the contagion and its effects being 'the norm' I will participate only when I can see that by doing so it will be recognized, I hope, by a majority of board members as being in good faith.

Without the ice cream, that will be very difficult to accomplish. ;)

I've tried. But then I'm misrepresented. And so it goes. It has gotten to the point where it is becoming old.

You folks aren't going to get active members of the church on this board. Maybe that's the way you want it. That way you can say and do whatever the heck you want. Wait, you're doing that already and getting away with it...

Herd mentality.

I'm the same guy on the board as I am off the board. Am I perfect? Heck no. But am I worthy of the crap? Also, heck no. It is what it is. Thanks for reading and letting me vent a bit. ;)

Except for some exceptions (unfortunately) I've enjoyed the discussions and debates/conversations I've had. Stimulating and thoughtful at times. Thank you for those times. :)

Sorry Shades that I pushed back on the whole A.I. thing and disagreed with your decisions in some respects. I think we could have made and equitable compromise. Be that as it may, I appreciated the degree of patience shown during that 'back and forth'. I think the board will be what a majority of participants want it to be as a result.Hopefully it is a net positive for all concerned.

Happy Holidays!

Regards,
MG
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 8:49 pm
Unfortunately I am being grossly mischaracterized and unfairly treated by two board posters. IHAQ and Marcus. They have not been able to forgive and forget what they perceive to be past misdeeds. We may disagree on that in some respects, but I've been able to move past it. They haven't. Recently I used the term "mind virus". If you have a small nucleus of people that spread contagion in a room, it spreads. It has. As I've scanned through the postings of these two people I've again realized that I've made the right choice in not engaging with them (and a few others). The consequence is that they can, and are, continuing their vendetta against me.

This being the case, there will obviously be fewer interactions that I have with the board since it is these two posters that are typically hyper aware of what is going on in most threads and jump in regularly. This prohibits me, by default, in participating in some threads that I might like to. If I do jump in, I can be sure these two are going to carry on with their diatribes, mischaracterizations, and false innuendos. Essentially, making mountains out of molehills. It is a waste of my time and every one else concerned to have to wade through the crap to get to anything substantive. When I take the time to give what I believe to be a thoughtful response to a poster it doesn't take long for one of these two to come in and blow up the conversation or misdirect it into an 'all about MG' thread.

Frankly, that's a bit embarrassing. I don't like being the focus of a thread. I would rather discuss ideas and possible solutions to some of the dilemmas that some folks find themselves in regarding the church/gospel. That seems to be strictly verboten. And then another poster comes in and uses some kind of funky word analysis to paint me in a light that makes it appear as though I have less than worthy motives for my posting style and the things that I say.

The virus takes hold.

Rather than expose myself to that viral contagion and then have other posters subjected to the results of what occurs as a result of the contagion and its effects being 'the norm' I will participate only when I can see that by doing so it will be recognized, I hope, by a majority of board members as being in good faith.

Without the ice cream, that will be very difficult to accomplish. ;)

I've tried. But then I'm misrepresented. And so it goes. It has gotten to the point where it is becoming old.

You folks aren't going to get active members of the church on this board. Maybe that's the way you want it. That way you can say and do whatever the heck you want. Wait, you're doing that already and getting away with it...

Herd mentality.

I'm the same guy on the board as I am off the board. Am I perfect? Heck no. But am I worthy of the crap? Also, heck no. It is what it is. Thanks for reading and letting me vent a bit. ;)

Except for some exceptions (unfortunately) I've enjoyed the discussions and debates/conversations I've had. Stimulating and thoughtful at times. Thank you for those times. :)

Sorry Shades that I pushed back on the whole A.I. thing and disagreed with your decisions in some respects. I think we could have made and equitable compromise. Be that as it may, I appreciated the degree of patience shown during that 'back and forth'. I think the board will be what a majority of participants want it to be as a result.Hopefully it is a net positive for all concerned.

Happy Holidays!

Regards,
MG
Derail reported. Fibber MG, please stop derailing my threads. You suck, by the way.
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Re: The Long and Winding Road (To Ruin) or Eight Days a Week (Of Woe): Mormon Apostle Blames the Beatles for Society's I

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Dec 16, 2025 8:49 pm
...I don't like being the focus of a thread. I would rather discuss ideas and possible solutions to some of the dilemmas that some folks find themselves in regarding the church/gospel...
Mg thinks he discusses "solutions" to "dilemmas" people "find themselves in" regarding (not their church, but) his church????

Wow. That is probably the most creative and nonfactual re-write I have read on this board all year.
...I'm the same guy on the board as I am off the board...
I am sorry to hear that.
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