Jesus did not have a wife.

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Re: Jesus did not have a wife.

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jo1952 wrote:
Additionally, I would like to offer something, if you will receive it, about Elisha. Before Elijah was taken to Heaven, Elisha desired to have a double portion of Elijah’s spirit upon him. I believe Elisha meant this both literally and allegorically. Inasmuch as Elisha DID see Elijah taken to Heaven, he did receive a double portion of Elijah’s spirit upon him. (by the way, I am also sharing some of the mystery of Christ’s seven spirits…which is not something only Christ has...) Now we need to add to this and remember what Jesus had to say about John the Baptist being Elijah. We also need to remember what Jesus had to say about John the Baptist being the greatest Prophet save Jesus Himself. Thus, I offer to you that Jesus’ spirit was in the body of Elisha. However, Jesus was not manifested as the Messiah in that incarnation. As such, Jesus’ spirit always had the superior role to the spirit of Elijah/John the Baptist in this world. Jesus was chosen as the Savior of our world before the foundation of our world. Once Jesus came in the flesh as the Messiah, He was Christed at His baptism; at which time He was embodied by the Father.

Blessings,

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So you claim to have received this kind of stuff and more from the Holy Ghost? And I noted that you seem to think that you progress in getting the full baptism of fire at some point, right? I do accept that from one eternity to the next you can be forced to partake of the second death, meaning a loss of all the gifts of God and your return to the native element of intelligence which God cannot make to await another call out into a new generation of the organization of intelligence, where they are given a new independent sphere of existence, which is another round of life if they continue and do not rebel with the New Satan. And others all the way up to the little g gods can opt out and volunteer to suffer the second death to try and improve their standing before the Lord. Eternal life means that you will never suffer the second death. but anyways, this transmigration of spirits where they share lives and come and go here and there during the same generation of the heavens and the earth is wrong.

And since you are incompetent about how one goes about getting the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost ( by degrees and even by multiple lives) you are convicted in my mind of having no such thing.
All you scriptural musing are dumb as well and have no life in them at all. Neither does your fantasy roll round and continue rightly as sound and true in the least. In short, you cannot just make up any damn thing and say that the HG told you and have any virtue about it with me if it fails to track on the line of truth where all truth tracks.

What was that last discussion we had where I am pretty sure I thought your views were horse feathers?
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Nightlion,

So please explain this:

"If I revealed all that has been made known to me, scarcely a man on this stand would stay with me." and "Brethren, if I were to tell you all I know of the kingdom of God, I do know that you would rise up and kill me."
Joseph Smith, Jr.
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If indeed you know what is true.

It seems to me that the Saints would not like all truth. What is your take on this?
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Jesus looked around and saw a gorgeous hot 14 year old girl. He then wrote an epistle to the parents of the girl stating the reasons why he should have her. Mentioned in that epistle were such things as hellfire, damnation and what not. Then the parents gave the 14 year old girl to Jesus, for which he took into a barn somewhere. Then, Jesus' wife pitched a fit about it for which Jesus then revealed doctrine and put that stupid bitch in her place.

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Franktalk wrote:Nightlion,

So please explain this:

"If I revealed all that has been made known to me, scarcely a man on this stand would stay with me." and "Brethren, if I were to tell you all I know of the kingdom of God, I do know that you would rise up and kill me."
Joseph Smith, Jr.
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/autho ... dAbV2fT.99

If indeed you know what is true.

It seems to me that the Saints would not like all truth. What is your take on this?


Joseph's problem was he did NOT have real saints on his hands. He had Gentiles who knew scripture and did not want to become Zion. The world was getting more exciting by the day and that was too much for Gentiles who seek after these sort of things to resist and forsake and become real saints.

I think that if I were there standing next to Joseph with all that I now know they would kill me all the quicker if truth be told.
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Albion wrote:Mistype on my part. Hebrews 9:27.


FYI, I have started a new thread called "More Thoughts on Reincarnation" on the Celestial forum. It addresses Hebrews 9:27 as well as several other passages.

Blessings,

jo
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Nightlion wrote:
So you claim to have received this kind of stuff and more from the Holy Ghost? And I noted that you seem to think that you progress in getting the full baptism of fire at some point, right? I do accept that from one eternity to the next you can be forced to partake of the second death, meaning a loss of all the gifts of God and your return to the native element of intelligence which God cannot make to await another call out into a new generation of the organization of intelligence, where they are given a new independent sphere of existence, which is another round of life if they continue and do not rebel with the New Satan. And others all the way up to the little g gods can opt out and volunteer to suffer the second death to try and improve their standing before the Lord. Eternal life means that you will never suffer the second death. but anyways, this transmigration of spirits where they share lives and come and go here and there during the same generation of the heavens and the earth is wrong.

And since you are incompetent about how one goes about getting the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost ( by degrees and even by multiple lives) you are convicted in my mind of having no such thing.
All you scriptural musing are dumb as well and have no life in them at all. Neither does your fantasy roll round and continue rightly as sound and true in the least. In short, you cannot just make up any damn thing and say that the HG told you and have any virtue about it with me if it fails to track on the line of truth where all truth tracks.

What was that last discussion we had where I am pretty sure I thought your views were horse feathers?


Hello Nightlion!

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


I realize you call yourself a prophet. It could be that you are; it could be you are not. But even a prophet is a man. Even prophets do not know All Truth, nor are they able to understand all the parts of Truth which ARE revealed to them (as was the case with Daniel). They also learn in an on-going process of having parts of Truth revealed to them.

Also, the manner you treat posters does not appear to be in alignment with Christ's teachings even though some of the teachings you have shared I have recognized as Truth. As such, even though you will claim ahead of time that people do not finish reading your posts, I do take the time to read them and to ponder them. If there is Truth to be found in them, I take the time to search for it. If I am ready, I will "see" it.

Meanwhile it is prudent for us to remember that the parts of Truth one person receives may not yet have been received by another. And even when we listen to that Truth being spoken, if we are not ready for it, we will not "hear" it. Also, if we are continually having Truth revealed to us (which is as it should be), there is a continual realignment we make which expands upon what we previously have had revealed to us. As such, our understanding of what Truth is will constantly evolve.

I try not to close the doors on what Truth has not yet been revealed to me. I do not think you close those doors either. You have not yet received All Truth (neither have I); so I am surprised when you judge others concerning the Truth which has been revealed to them. Meanwhile, even though you do judge others and me, you are not who I or others answer to.

Many blessings to you, Nightlion.

jo
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Nightlion wrote:Joseph's problem was he did NOT have real saints on his hands. He had Gentiles who knew scripture and did not want to become Zion. The world was getting more exciting by the day and that was too much for Gentiles who seek after these sort of things to resist and forsake and become real saints.

I think that if I were there standing next to Joseph with all that I now know they would kill me all the quicker if truth be told.


Very interesting Nightlion, that is the only answer I would accept. But to the point do you know what Joseph Smith was holding back?

And what in your eyes makes a real saint?
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Franktalk wrote:
Nightlion wrote:Joseph's problem was he did NOT have real saints on his hands. He had Gentiles who knew scripture and did not want to become Zion. The world was getting more exciting by the day and that was too much for Gentiles who seek after these sort of things to resist and forsake and become real saints.

I think that if I were there standing next to Joseph with all that I now know they would kill me all the quicker if truth be told.


Very interesting Nightlion, that is the only answer I would accept. But to the point do you know what Joseph Smith was holding back?

And what in your eyes makes a real saint?


I could not say what Joseph was holding back. I got possible notions. But could be way off.

A true saint is simply one who has a real gospel covenant sealed by the power of God in the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost. Now lots of folks imagine that their getting religion counts for this. No it does not count at all. There are certain consistent "tells" that are consistent throughout all recorded gospel history. I will not say what they are so I save myself from being finessed by some too wise for their own good. Takes one to know one. And one who does know can detect those who do not really know the Lord.

All the guidelines are well written in scripture. Excuse not yourself around the least thing and become as a little child willing to submit to the Lord in ALL things to move from death to life and from owning your own will in all things to owning the will of the Father over you in all your days. If you really have faith in God you will allow him to own you as he will give to you way better than you could ever give to yourself. And that with power and joy against all odds to the contrary that will fly up in your face to resist you once you are an outsider against the world.
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Nightlion,

If indeed you are one that has obtained a knowledge of the path we must follow don't you think you should be a light on the hill? It seems to me that Christ was pretty blunt with the leaders of the Jews but pretty compassionate with everyone else. And His atonement speaks volumes about His love for our souls.

The message that scripture gives us is dependent on how much we have progressed down our own path. Most of scripture is but a starting point in my view. If indeed man has progressed to some extent over the last two thousand years then we are in need of teachers who can help the lost get better. Have you ever wondered why it is that you have been chosen to obtain what most do not have? And if you hide what was given under a rock are you doing what we are commanded to do?

Do you know what it is you are supposed to do in this life? For me I get bounced around but know not where I will end up. Are you equally confused on your path?
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Franktalk wrote:Nightlion,

If indeed you are one that has obtained a knowledge of the path we must follow don't you think you should be a light on the hill? It seems to me that Christ was pretty blunt with the leaders of the Jews but pretty compassionate with everyone else. And His atonement speaks volumes about His love for our souls.

The message that scripture gives us is dependent on how much we have progressed down our own path. Most of scripture is but a starting point in my view. If indeed man has progressed to some extent over the last two thousand years then we are in need of teachers who can help the lost get better. Have you ever wondered why it is that you have been chosen to obtain what most do not have? And if you hide what was given under a rock are you doing what we are commanded to do?

Do you know what it is you are supposed to do in this life? For me I get bounced around but know not where I will end up. Are you equally confused on your path?


I have been on the precise same path for more than forty years now. Neither have I at any time ceased to teach and testify of the same gospel. However, just like the scriptures all plainly show so no man need error, generation after generation are misled, and that by their leaders to miss the mark completely and THINK they have it when they really never even began to get it. When I simply tell people the gospel and even mark the pitfalls of our peculiar day and time that PREVENT faith unto salvation it has been consistently shrugged off. They refuse to attend the wedding feast of the Bridegroom and excuse themselves by all manner of urgent necessities of living their own lives.

WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED
After I experienced the gospel at eighteen, my home ward and stake in East Millcreek should have believed me and been convicted in their rank hypocrisy and cried out in the anguish of their souls to receive the same power in the gospel as what I demonstrated by moving from the kid I was abused to accepting that I was to a mighty man of faith and works in word and in deed.

Then, when I became an apostle of Jesus Christ at the age of 27 the Church had nearly ten years to have built up a groundswell of faith and competence in obtaining the gift and power of the Holy Ghost. As a called and appointed member of the Quorum of the Twelve I would have the stage to preach repentance to all of Mormonism around the globe from an approved and accepted posture that could have increased the numbers prepared to bring forth and establish the Zion of our God and of his Christ. That would have put me ahead of Oaks in seniority.

WHAT DID HAPPEN
I preached the gospel tirelessly in all circumstances and in all places I found myself and still do. I obtained the word of the Lord by ceaseless scripture study for ten years. I became a called and sent apostle of Jesus Christ outside of the Church's purview. I corrected LDS doctrine to fall in line with all the standard works without adding anything to them.

All the while the most wicked and evil surmising was passed of against me by family, friends, ward membership and stake leadership and even Church Security watchers. Even though I managed to make a favorable impression upon President Ezra Taft Benson my old nemesis, Hinckster, grabbed power and the rest is history. I got cast out without an accuser. My appeal officially upheld against me by signature of HInckley and Monson because Benson was incapacitated.

The church has officially fulfilled 3 Nephi 16 and by me sinned against the gospel subject to having it taken from among them and given to the people bringing forth the fruit meet for the kingdom...............? Man! when is that going to happen?

Because of pride people will not consider the simple gospel and the rigors of its accomplishment. They think too highly of themselves and will not seek humility before the Lord. They are learned and warrant themselves competent regardless of no results equal to what they want to claim to own and pass off as acceptable to their children and their children's children.

I do not think a charge of hiding my light under a bushel sticks on me. I understand that only success sells and I cannot be believed without it. So here we are, me without success, and the world without salvation. Must be the last days when things are going to go from bad to worse to even more worse.

Give the world so much as a peep of Zion's existence and you shall see the world react and change dramatically, but not for the good. It shall wind up the scene to the dramatic end of the Revelation of John. And more than a mere peep they shall have when the Lord brings Zion upon the world from where he has taken it. The earth shall travail and bring forth her strength. A nation of Zion shall be born in a moment.

It is not possible to be part of the world's culture and accomplish the gospel of Jesus Christ. Seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness by forsaking the world in hunger and thirst for a saving covenant with Christ in God. That is what Jesus meant by taking NO THOUGHT for your lives while you step off and seek it. Just as the Jew continued with one accord in fasting and prayer until the power of the gospel came upon them at Pentecost. This after the resurrected Christ taught them forty days.
You can be taught of Christ's word for as long as you like before you finally step off and seek to take his name upon you with full purpose of heart and in all earnestness believing you shall receive.

It is not all said but I do not need to taunt people in their unbelief. If after a long desire, treasured up in your heart, knowing you are unworthy, yet yearning in faith for a healing from the Lord, he can lead you to it acceptably.

The world will stay on pride.
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