liz3564 wrote: This is an excellent observation, Kish. I have thought for a long time that missionary "re-activation" projects would do a whole lot more good in providing stalwart active members than simply "looking for new blood".
That's why they send 19 year old's on missions. To make them into life long active member's and try to get new blood at the same time. I think the church has done better then many other groups in focusing on the youth. The problem is the church is not really true and there is a lot of evidence showing this, and that evidence is much easier to find these days.
Bob Loblaw wrote:... to divert attention away from the fact that the apologists have only snake oil to sell.
No, in this case, I'm inclined to think that the diversion is aimed elsewhere. Perhaps Will/Ludd will be along to clear the air, though I suspect that he's going to "take a break" from the board.
Doctor Kishkumen:
There is no "diversion" that I know of. This thread had one purpose only: to invite the members of MDB to provide examples of the offensive online behavior of Peterson, Hamblin, and Schryver.
I see that, since I last checked things out, still no one has provided examples of what it is P, H, and S have done to deserve their reputations. I've come to the conclusion that there are no such examples, and that the "bad reputations" of these guys is basically a myth made up by people who have a personal grudge against them.
There is no "diversion" that I know of. This thread had one purpose only: to invite the members of MDB to provide examples of the offensive online behavior of Peterson, Hamblin, and Schryver.
I see that, since I last checked things out, still no one has provided examples of what it is P, H, and S have done to deserve their reputations. I've come to the conclusion that there are no such examples, and that the "bad reputations" of these guys is basically a myth made up by people who have a personal grudge against them.
I've come to the conclusion that you ignored the evidence because you came here already convinced of the "myth" and personal grudges. Not surprised, but I'd hoped for better from you.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
I take small comfort in knowing that the Maxwell Institute saw their behavior for what it was.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
You were given a lot of examples, Will, but you ignored all of them. And I *do* happen to think that this thread is meant to serve, at least in part, as a distraction.
Did Dan tell you to come over here and try to clean this up in preparation for his upcoming meeting? Was a dossier prepared for You-Know-Who?
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
Doctor Scratch wrote:You were given a lot of examples, Will, but you ignored all of them. And I *do* happen to think that this thread is meant to serve, at least in part, as a distraction.
Did Dan tell you to come over here and try to clean this up in preparation for his upcoming meeting? Was a dossier prepared for You-Know-Who?
Doctor Kishkumen:
Actually, I had no prejudice when I came here.
However, now I believe that there is no basis for the so-called "reputations" of Peterson, Hamblin, and Schryver. You are free to prove me wrong, though. Just provide some examples of behavior that would justify their bad reputations. I haven't seen anything yet.
However, now I believe that there is no basis for the so-called "reputations" of Peterson, Hamblin, and Schryver. You are free to prove me wrong, though. Just provide some examples of behavior that would justify their bad reputations. I haven't seen anything yet.
So what do you think Schryver is supposed to have apologized for? Is Mike Parker wrong for saying that his antics were over the top? Or is Parker just another dupe of the smear campaign?
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
Ludd wrote:Given what I have seen here in the past few weeks, I think that is very possible.
We've been remarkably effective in our smear campaign. We fooled Gerald Bradford, the BYU administration, and at least one GA.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
Doctor Scratch wrote:You were given a lot of examples, Will, but you ignored all of them. And I *do* happen to think that this thread is meant to serve, at least in part, as a distraction.
Did Dan tell you to come over here and try to clean this up in preparation for his upcoming meeting? Was a dossier prepared for You-Know-Who?
Doctor Kishkumen:
Actually, I had no prejudice when I came here.
However, now I believe that there is no basis for the so-called "reputations" of Peterson, Hamblin, and Schryver. You are free to prove me wrong, though. Just provide some examples of behavior that would justify their bad reputations. I haven't seen anything yet.
Will:
Why don't you tell us more about the conversations you had with Ugo Perego? Tell us why you think he was "exiled" to Italy.
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
