Moniker wrote:Jersey Girl wrote:Jersey Girl wrote:Moniker....
Show me the first time he accuses you of making a personal attack on him.
Please meet the above request with no commentary of your own. Just put the applicable JAK quote in front of me.
I already did that, Jersey Girl. A few times now. He called me disingenuous on that same post I've already pointed out to you as well.
sighIt was on page 3 or 4 of this thread. I also put the link in a few of our discussions already.
This was before he copy and pasted a post (which I replied to and corrected some of the information in -- which he never came back to), and before I noticed his plagiarism. I didn't make any big call on the plagiarism when I noticed it, I said this "Jak! Tsk! Tsk! -- cite your sources". That was ALL. But, notice I replied to the INFORMATION before I noticed. He NEVER came back to the points I made about the information that he provided that was incorrect. So, who is shifting the focus? He later takes on my argument that his original assertion that "dogma" replaces intellect is not applicable to all religions since I ask him to notice Shintoism. He POSTS his own material and attributes it to me! He says that information (that I already corrected) is mine when in all actuality it was his!
This thread is frustrating.
Moniker,
Without using a specific word here, you
are calling me a liar.
Here is why.
Moniker stated:
This was before he copy and pasted a post (which I replied to and corrected some of the information in -- which he never came back to), and before I noticed his plagiarism. I didn't make any big call on the plagiarism when I noticed it, I said this "Jak! Tsk! Tsk! -- cite your sources". That was ALL. But, notice I replied to the INFORMATION before I noticed. He NEVER came back to the points I made about the information that he provided that was incorrect. So, who is shifting the focus? He later takes on my argument that his original assertion that "dogma" replaces intellect is not applicable to all religions since I ask him to notice Shintoism. He POSTS his own material and attributes it to me! He says that information (that I already corrected) is mine when in all actuality it was his!
Notice the bold emphasis. Now in
two subsequent posts, I told you exactly my source of information
a 1985 edition of The World Book Encyclopedia.
I also told you that I had not see your source which YOU posted and which confirmed the information that I found
in my library at home.
So your statement here continues the assertion that
I plagiarized the source which you found.
I did not. Clearly, you not believe that, but it’s the way it was, and it’s what I told you.
You also may not know that encyclopedia references are often produced or written by the same individuals which accounts for similarity in different encyclopedias particularly on topics which have not changed in any substantive way even over many years.
So your “Jak!Tsk! Tsk!” was
an accusation. It was false. I told you it was false. And here you continue to put it on the board
entirely ignoring what I told you regarding where I found the information. You
did make a “big call on the plagiarism” and it was a personal attack on me. Since you made a false charge in the first place, and since you continue to make the
same charge now as you confirm your position that
I am lying, why should I respond to anything you say? I should not!
I pointed the way for you to
exactly where I obtained information. You chose to disregard it and in so doing,
even now, you are calling me a liar. …not by using the word, but by continuing
even after my statement to you in two posts where I obtained information, you continue to post as you do. There is no point for me to respond to you, Moniker.
Now, when I quoted
from your post, I just took what was on that post and
failed to notice accurately which of two statements that stated the same basic information.
That was my error. I didn’t distinguish correctly which was which.
It was my error in haste to reply trying to refocus on the issue of religion.
I apologize for the error.
The attempt to shift from the
content of the information which was the same form both sources was your attempt to
shift the debate to a personal charge of
plagiarism rather than address
Shintoism. On this forum, many points of information have been made in which no sources are offered. I did not think it necessary on the original post of mine which contained information on a religion to list a source since the information is general information.
You
siezed on that as an opportunity to
make personal attack and accusation of plagiarism. YOU attempted to shift the debate to a
personal attack rather than address the content.
The flawed technique:
If you cannot attack the evidence, you attack the source.
If you cannot attack the source, you attack the person who used the source.
In this case, the information in the sources
plural mine and the one YOU found on line stated virtually the same thing. So the evidence supported my statements about that information.
But, here, now, many posts later and after you surely have read
exactly what I told you about where I found information, HERE, you continue your charges of
plagiarism which continues to be
a personal attack.
As I stated previously, you just go on your merry way and think what you wish
inspite of what you have been told and you just go on and continue to regard me as you wish.
But make no mistake,
you continue, without use of the word “liar,” to call me a liar as you continue in your
wrong conclusion.
There is absolutely no point in conversation with you from me. Your mind is made up and nothing which I could say will alter your opinion.
But for the record, once again,
my source for information on Shintoism came from a 1985 edition of the World Book Encyclopedia which is in my home.
I’m sure you will continue with your opinion unchanged.
Again
I apologize for picking up on the wrong one of two sources you placed in the same post as you attempted to attack me for
plagiarism. It was
a mistake by me.
JAK