The Mormon Apologist's Modus Operandi

[_maklelan]

Do you understand the difference between the two dates:

650 AD
600-700 BCE?

You're right, that was a typo. Thanks for pointing it out. Incidentally, the counterpart to BCE is CE, and if you use AD you put it before the date.

[_maklelan]

Since it's been made clear that no one on this board really intends to discuss anything honestly, I'll be taking my leave. I'm not wasting any more of my time.

[Tator]

You're right, that was a typo. Thanks for pointing it out. Incidentally, the counterpart to BCE is CE, and if you use AD you put it before the date.

I was using the terms the article used. If AD should be used before the date, then it is so chronically misused that the rule ought to be changed.

If it was just a typo, and you always understood that the article was asserting that metallurgy was not in use until after 650 AD (the way I usually see it written, including in the article you linked), then why did you provide the article to prove that I was incorrect - and so ill-informed - about my statement about the timing of metallurgy in Mesoamerica? If you always understood what that date meant, why did the article seem useful?

Since it's been made clear that no one on this board really intends to discuss anything honestly, I'll be taking my leave. I'm not wasting any more of my time.

Sure. Obviously you're leaving because we're all a bunch of liars. Nothing should be more obvious than the fact that I, personally, haven't discussed anything honestly. I'm sure the reason you're leaving has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that while you were chastising me for being "out of my league" (ironic that someone who objects to patronizing statements would say such a thing to begin with....) you made a painful and obvious error you're now insisting was a typo.

[_Some Schmo]

I admit to, at times, thinking someone is arguing "out of their league", myself. I just hope that if I ever actually say it out loud, that I take the time to fact check my own statements first.

No doubt.

I honestly thought mak was one of the more level headed apologists at first (which is to say, when I first noticed him last week or so). But his debating style has quickly devolved since then, and I can't help but think he's arguing from anger rather than a position of rational thought. He's actually started to sound like Graham. Some of the stuff he's come up with in the last few days... whoa, Nelly. Can he really believe this cra… um… stuff?

But as I've said before, mopologists have the deck stacked against them going in. How does one defend the indefensible? If they spend any length of time at it, it's likely to piss them off eventually, so I can't say I'm surprised. I'm impressed he's lasted this long, to tell you the truth.

*shrug*

[_Some Schmo]

Since it's been made clear that no one on this board really intends to discuss anything honestly, I'll be taking my leave. I'm not wasting any more of my time.

Yes, everyone lies except you. I bet you think everyone's stupid except you, and ignorant except you, and uncultured except you, and inexperienced except you, and [fill in the blank] except you.

How do you survive living in a world where nobody has the brains, integrity, good looks and massive endowment that you have? My, what a saint.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Hello,

Perhaps the Nephites employed Laser-Engraving like we do these days? That is... A possibility. They were a very advanced people...

Very Respectfully,

Doctor CamNC4Me

[_beastie]

But as I've said before, mopologists have the deck stacked against them going in. How does one defend the indefensible? If they spend any length of time at it, it's likely to piss them off eventually, so I can't say I'm surprised. I'm impressed he's lasted this long, to tell you the truth.

I agree with this. Of course, defenders of the faith are going to object to this characterization, but they really do have the deck stacked against them going in. Unfortunately for Mormonism, it was founded post-printing press, so there’s just too much evidence to dig up. I’m sure the case would be just as bad for Christianity in general, had it been founded post-printing press. In addition, some of the other claims are just ridiculous, without the “testimony-goggles” on your eyes. Translating with a stone in a hat? Being ordered to marry other men’s wives at the point of an angelic sword? A planet called Kolob? It’s one of the burdens of being human and plagued with our flawed brains that so many of us feel compelled to construct defenses of these sort of beliefs (young earth, anyone?).

Perhaps the Nephites employed Laser-Engraving like we do these days? That is... A possibility. They were a very advanced people...

BINGO! There just is no evidence of laser-engraving in ancient Mesoamerica because the Nephites were small and powerless, and hid their advanced technologies.

[_Gadianton]

Sure. Obviously you're leaving because we're all a bunch of liars. Nothing should be more obvious than the fact that I, personally, haven't discussed anything honestly. I'm sure the reason you're leaving has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that while you were chastising me for being "out of my league" (ironic that someone who objects to patronizing statements would say such a thing to begin with....) you made a painful and obvious error you're now insisting was a typo.

Oh man, this has got to be quite embarrassing for young Mak. In the past few days he's been chastising everyone on the board for not being in his league and I think we've all been a bit confused at how he comes to these kinds of conclusions. This last incident with you no doubt has ended his ruse as a polymath without equal for good. To be honest, I saw it coming. I mean, he's made several spelling/grammar errors in his discussion with you revealing desperation and the foolhardiness of youth. It was only a matter of time before his brief skim of New World history as an undergraduate would fail him.

What's even more odd has been his taking of the moral high ground and throwing out accusations of lying and dishonesty considering his own past which he boasts about with statements such as, "Who said I ever got caught?"

Oh well, all in all I think he's a decent and bright kid, and most of the hyperactivity problems he has in debate merely reflect teething. Got to watch the furniture when he's around and keep him off the right leg.

[_beastie]

Oh well, all in all I think he's a decent and bright kid, and most of his hyperactivity problems he has in debate merely reflect teething. Got to watch the furniture when he's around and keep him off the right leg.

No doubt if he sticks with it, he'll learn to be more careful. I'm sure I've made lots of embarrassing gaffes in my day, and continue to make even more. It just so happened he had the misfortune of making an embarrassing gaffe while assuming a superior position. Not an enviable position. Poor kid.

[_Paul Osborne]

Poor kid.

This place is making me laugh my ass off tonight. You guys are so funny!



Paul O