Enduring to the End

[_Polygamy Porter]

Enduring to the end of reading the posts by the so called mormonmistress....

Is it Wade?

[_mormonmistress]

Enduring to the end of reading the posts by the so called mormonmistress....

Is it Wade?

Yep, you got me. I'm Wade. :)

[_Polygamy Porter]

Enduring to the end of reading the posts by the so called mormonmistress....

Is it Wade?

Yep, you got me. I'm Wade. :)

Figures.

[_guy sajer]

Sure we endure some things in life, but life itself shouldn't be endured. I still take issue with the word. Who thought that one up anyway?

In theory, it shouldn't have to be endured (I guess).

In practice, it does.

Probably billions of people since the dawn of time have lived in conditions we would consider unimaginable. Not every one can self-actualize. For many, day-to-day survival is the highest order need they'll ever satisfy.

A statement like this reflects a naïve middle-class outlook (or something like that).

[_barrelomonkeys]

wow! Thanks monkeys!

I'll tell ya what! I've gotten the most delectable high from dancing in a frenzy from this music on and off for the last 12 hours. What joy! How can you NOT love life when this is what life creates?

[_barrelomonkeys]

Sure we endure some things in life, but life itself shouldn't be endured. I still take issue with the word. Who thought that one up anyway?

In theory, it shouldn't have to be endured (I guess).

In practice, it does.

Probably billions of people since the dawn of time have lived in conditions we would consider unimaginable. Not every one can self-actualize. For many, day-to-day survival is the highest order need they'll ever satisfy.

A statement like this reflects a naïve middle-class outlook (or something like that).

I agree that for many, many of us we can't comprehend the suffering and trials that others call life. However there is no doubt joy found within suffering there as well... Life has such triumphs and mysteries that are all about us. It would appear to me that even in the darkest of despair the human spirit to carry on surely is a testament to how LIFE is more than a trial to endure. It's something to LIVE for.

[_Scottie]

Sure we endure some things in life, but life itself shouldn't be endured. I still take issue with the word. Who thought that one up anyway?

In theory, it shouldn't have to be endured (I guess).

In practice, it does.

Probably billions of people since the dawn of time have lived in conditions we would consider unimaginable. Not every one can self-actualize. For many, day-to-day survival is the highest order need they'll ever satisfy.

A statement like this reflects a naïve middle-class outlook (or something like that).

From my observations, 1st world countries produce the most miserable people. 3rd world societies usually have much more joy than we do.

[_guy sajer]

Sure we endure some things in life, but life itself shouldn't be endured. I still take issue with the word. Who thought that one up anyway?

In theory, it shouldn't have to be endured (I guess).

In practice, it does.

Probably billions of people since the dawn of time have lived in conditions we would consider unimaginable. Not every one can self-actualize. For many, day-to-day survival is the highest order need they'll ever satisfy.

A statement like this reflects a naïve middle-class outlook (or something like that).

From my observations, 1st world countries produce the most miserable people. 3rd world societies usually have much more joy than we do.

Happiness is (I think) perceived relative to one's expectations.

All in all, however, I'd rather be a miserable middle-class North American than a happy poverty-stricken person rummaging through garbage dumps to find food to eat.

By the way, and for what it's worth, I work in development, and they "myth" of the happy peasant is exactly that, a myth.

Among the poor there are, like among the middle class, a broad range of persons and experiences and perceptions.

Enduring and happiness are not necessarily the same thing. One can be reasonably content (given one's expectations) but still be enduring (or coping) on a day to day basis and highly vulnerable to a shock that'll send his/her life rapidly spiraling downward.

[_barrelomonkeys]

Sure we endure some things in life, but life itself shouldn't be endured. I still take issue with the word. Who thought that one up anyway?

In theory, it shouldn't have to be endured (I guess).

In practice, it does.

Probably billions of people since the dawn of time have lived in conditions we would consider unimaginable. Not every one can self-actualize. For many, day-to-day survival is the highest order need they'll ever satisfy.

A statement like this reflects a naïve middle-class outlook (or something like that).

From my observations, 1st world countries produce the most miserable people. 3rd world societies usually have much more joy than we do.

Happiness is (I think) perceived relative to one's expectations.

All in all, however, I'd rather be a miserable middle-class North American than a happy poverty-stricken person rummaging through garbage dumps to find food to eat.

By the way, and for what it's worth, I work in development, and they "myth" of the happy peasant is exactly that, a myth.

Among the poor there are, like among the middle class, a broad range of persons and experiences and perceptions.

Enduring and happiness are not necessarily the same thing. One can be reasonably content (given one's expectations) but still be enduring (or coping) on a day to day basis and highly vulnerable to a shock that'll send his/her life rapidly spiraling downward.

I agree with everything you said Guy Sajer. But isn't part of the LDS belief that we endure things that we do NOT have to endure just for the sake of enduring them?

In other words we deny ourselves pleasure of some sort for the glory of God or something? This is what I thought of when I heard the "endure to the end" sentiment.

Enduring hardships that we can not control is quite different than enduring a miserable experience when we have other options.

[Guest]

The concept of enduring to the end is a rather grim outlook. Life isn't really so black and white, though, in my opinion.

There are times and difficulties in our lives we must endure, that is certain. But there are times of joy when live is a pleasure and it feels so good to be alive. For me, it's a matter of looking for the good and refusing to wallow in self-pity. There are people in the world who have little reason to feel joy or hope, but often they do feel joy and hope in spite of their circumstances. If they can find happiness and feel life isn't only to be "endured", then surely I can do the same. If I'm unhappy, it's my own fault.

KA

PS - An edit after reading what Guy had to say: I do not want to be a naïve American who underestimates the suffering in the world. I know it's there, but I haven't experienced it first hand. In no way do I want to minimize anyone's pain and I hope eventually, when my family is raised, that I will some day be able to, even in a small way, alleviate it.