1 Nephi 14:10-12 'There are save two churchds only'

[_barrelomonkeys]

What are the characteristics of those who belong to the Church of the Devil...

Everyone knows people who belong to the Church of the Devil drink beer and touch themselves!

DUH!

KA

And that's sorta sad which is why I never joined.

[_charity]

So, in essence, you are not talking about "churches" per se (that is, formal religious institutions with specified belief systems) but more about a person's inner beliefs, behaviors, morals, etc.

Do I have that correctly?

The problem I have with this is that it portrays a black and white, two-dimensional human morality; humans are much more morally complex than this.

What are the characteristics of those who belong to the Church of the Devil vs. those who belong to the Church of the Lamb? Perhaps if you described these we could see more clearly what you mean.

I think that is a correct restatement of what I think.

I will give some characteristics of the two "churches" so long as you understand that I know that God judges the heart of hte individual. Much of what would qualify a person for one or the other is not knowable to any mere mortal. God knows the heart, none of the rest of us have that ability. So for feelings and attitudes we can't see, we have to leave the judgement to God. We can observe outward behaviors. Those give us clues.

Those who hate, those who enjoy other people's pain (emotional or physical), those who selfishly take their own pleasure at the expense of others, those who molest, those who deny God, I think that is a list of the candidates for the church of the devil.

Those who love their fellow men, who serve them not for earthly rewards but just to serve, those who are kind, who do good works, who worship God (whatever their conception of God is) probably Church of the Lamb,

[_KimberlyAnn]

What are the characteristics of those who belong to the Church of the Devil...

Everyone knows people who belong to the Church of the Devil drink beer and touch themselves!

DUH!

KA

And that's sorta sad which is why I never joined.

What's even sadder is that the poor misguided souls do them both at the same time!

KA

PS - Since both my hands are occupied, I'm typing with my toes...

J/K!!

I'm finished derailing this thread now...

[_Runtu]

Those who hate, those who enjoy other people's pain (emotional or physical), those who selfishly take their own pleasure at the expense of others, those who molest, those who deny God, I think that is a list of the candidates for the church of the devil.

I can think of a few candidates who qualify. ;)

Those who love their fellow men, who serve them not for earthly rewards but just to serve, those who are kind, who do good works, who worship God (whatever their conception of God is) probably Church of the Lamb,

I think we're dealing with a smaller group with this one. Maybe Mother Teresa and the Three Nephites. The rest of us ...

[_Who Knows]

What is the church of the devil - the great and abominable church? Let's look at 1 nephi ch. 13:

25 Wherefore, these things (the Bible) go forth from the Jews in purity unto the Gentiles, according to the truth which is in God.
26 And after they go forth by the hand of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles, thou seest the formation of that great and abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have taken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they taken away.
27 And all this have they done that they might pervert the right ways of the Lord, that they might blind the eyes and harden the hearts of the children of men.
28 Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God.

And then, of course, there was the minister in the old temple ceremony.

Was mckonkie the only one with the cajones to call it for what it is?

[_barrelomonkeys]

never mind - something about visual images, Bundy, britches, and beers....

[_charity]

We can't get to everyone everywhere at the same time. .

Oh, I think the church has been almost everywhere - almost everyone just said NO! The church means nothing to the world, its only real grasp, which it is in the process of loosing, is with those children who had no choice in their baptism at the ripe old age of 8.

We aren't interested in converting the world. What we are doing is "gathering." We are gathering the flock of the Good Shepherd. HIs sheep know His voice. They hear. They join. Those who aren't His flock and aren't interested in being adopted in don't care.

Since we believe everyone has their agency, that doesn't bother us. By the way, I joined the Church at age 19. Obviosuly since some people leave the Church, staying is a matter of choice for those baptized at 8, even. No one has to be a member who doesn't want to accept the Lord.

[_Runtu]

No one has to be a member who doesn't want to accept the Lord.

Tell that to my wife. ;)

[_Brackite]

1 Ne. 14: 10-12 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.

What is your objection to this?

Hi Charity,
So, which of the 40 or more sects of Mormonism that believes in the Book of Mormon, is the one and true Church of the Lamb of God???

[_barrelomonkeys]

Yanno, this is probably deserving of another thread. But self medication of LDS and ex-LDS seems to be about on par to me... and that the two groups smack each other about with their own form seems a bit like pot calling kettle black. Or perhaps I misread the constant Hurrahs about drinking (woop! Fun!) and other self medication?

Yah, I probably totally don't geddit.