what's in the Church's vault:

[_Imwashingmypirate]

I heard that there were, The sealed portion of the Book of Mormon, Those glassed, the urim and thummin.

Personaly I doubt there even is a vault.

[_skippy the dead]

I was told just recently by someone who is in a position to know that the Urim and Thummim are not there. I asked the question, specifically, because it was my understanding that possession of the Urim and Thummim is what makes a person a seer. And since we sustain the prophet and apostles as seers, that must mean the Church is in possession of them. I was told my understanidng was not correct and they are not in the Church vault, or anywhere else in the possession of the Church.

Thanks for that list Phaedrus.

And who is "someone in a position to know"? Are we to rely on your vague representation? Not persuasive (as usual).

But as an aside, I would not think that the Urim and Thummim would be in the vault, since they are purely mythical and never existed. Same with the sword of Laban and the breastplate and all the other made-up stuff.

[_moksha]

I was told just recently by someone who is in a position to know that the Urim and Thummim are not there. I asked the question, specifically, because it was my understanding that possession of the Urim and Thummim is what makes a person a seer. And since we sustain the prophet and apostles as seers, that must mean the Church is in possession of them. I was told my understanding was not correct and they are not in the Church vault, or anywhere else in the possession of the Church.

Thanks for that list Phaedrus.

I had previous read somewhere that the usage of the Urim and Thummin was a story tacked on about a decade after the writing of the Book of Mormon. Is this not a later legend? The Urim and Thummin were two stones with Hebrew letters written on both sides attached to a breastplate. It was something mentioned back in the Old Testament, but not in connection with translating plates. These were inanimate objects. I thought the true power came from God Himself.

[_Dr. Shades]

Is there any way to put Mormons like Charity on ignore - so you never have to see a single post from them? Charity's posts on FAIR/MAD are nauseating enough, now we have to endure them here.

CHARITY:

If you read that and are now reading this, please understand that regardless of how other participants may or may not feel, you are just as welcome here as is anyone else.

[_charity]

CHARITY:

If you read that and are now reading this, please understand that regardless of how other participants may or may not feel, you are just as welcome here as is anyone else.

Thanks.

[_harmony]

CHARITY:

If you read that and are now reading this, please understand that regardless of how other participants may or may not feel, you are just as welcome here as is anyone else.

Thanks.

Amen. Sometimes it's really weird when I'm the card carrying member of the church around here.

[_Mercury]

The ultimate answer, metaphorically speaking is Joe's Porn stash.

[_Jersey Girl]

Is there any way to put Mormons like Charity on ignore - so you never have to see a single post from them? Charity's posts on FAIR/MAD are nauseating enough, now we have to endure them here.

CHARITY:

If you read that and are now reading this, please understand that regardless of how other participants may or may not feel, you are just as welcome here as is anyone else.

Absolutely, charity! I, for one, am glad that you're here. Without active LDS this place is just one long head nodding session. Well almost...

And Infymus, there is a way to put folks on "ignore". It's called ignoring them.

[_Runtu]

Is there any way to put Mormons like Charity on ignore - so you never have to see a single post from them? Charity's posts on FAIR/MAD are nauseating enough, now we have to endure them here.

CHARITY:

If you read that and are now reading this, please understand that regardless of how other participants may or may not feel, you are just as welcome here as is anyone else.

Absolutely, charity! I, for one, am glad that you're here. Without active LDS this place is just one long head nodding session. Well almost...

And Infymus, there is a way to put folks on "ignore". It's called ignoring them.

I'm happy charity is here. I may not always appreciate her tone and her snide remarks, but I'm glad she's here.

[_Jersey Girl]

Runtu

I'm happy charity is here. I may not always appreciate her tone and her snide remarks, but I'm glad she's here.

I quite admire "snide". Not that you'd notice....

:-D