Indefensible, Incoherent, Inconsistent. Who is Desperate?

[_Inconceivable]

Believers are saddened when anti-Mormons deceive people into leaving or not joining the Church.

As the saying goes, misery loves company, and the members of the LDS Church are sure hankering for a lot of company.

I am sure you are aware that LDS live longer, healthier, happier lives than the average. Where is the misery? We are looking to share our joy.

You are definately a Blue Pill person. Most likely always a Blue Pill person. Your reality (a fiction) will always be bounded.

For those of us previously having seen from your point of view, all we can do is roll our eyes as you rant about things you haven't the capacity to perceive.

Take this as a dig, simply an observation or both.

[_charity]

I am sure you are aware that LDS live longer, healthier, happier lives than the average. Where is the misery? We are looking to share our joy.

Than the average what?

If the only point to belonging to Mormonism is what it will do for you in this life, and not the next, why advertise otherwise?

Average person in the US.

Who said the point of belonging to this Church is found only in this life? But we certainly don't believe we have to be miserable here so we can be happy there.

[_Trevor]

Who said the point of belonging to this Church is found only in this life? But we certainly don't believe we have to be miserable here so we can be happy there.

You can't fool me, I've seen all of the slumped shoulders, sleepy eyes, and listless expressions of "joy" in an LDS chapel. If what you are saying were true (which it is not), there wouldn't be so much focus on enduring to the end.

[_Yong Xi]

Charity is Hammer in-drag on steroids.

[_The Nehor]

Who said the point of belonging to this Church is found only in this life? But we certainly don't believe we have to be miserable here so we can be happy there.

You can't fool me, I've seen all of the slumped shoulders, sleepy eyes, and listless expressions of "joy" in an LDS chapel. If what you are saying were true (which it is not), there wouldn't be so much focus on enduring to the end.

Wow, glad I'm not in your ward.

[_Trevor]

Wow, glad I'm not in your ward.

Oh, I'm not specifically referring to my ward. I am referring to just about every ward I have seen. And, many other people will tell the same story about their wards.

[_the road to hana]

I expect plenty of people convert to Mormonism and never mention their former faiths. Others try to persuade people from their former faith to leave it.

I looked around, and I couldn't find any message boards for people who are now LDS who were Catholics, or Methodists, etc.

Clearly you didn't look very hard. What were you planning to do if you found one? Tell those people how deceived they are, too? How they were too lazy, or didn't pay attention, or must not have understood, or must have been offended, or must have sinned? Or would you just be respectful that they'd chosen a different path?

There don't seem to be any LDS converts whining about their former church memberships. Could you venture a guess why?

I beg to differ. I've heard many such occurrences from LDS pulpits. Your mileage might vary.

A big Huh? here. Mormons spend plenty of time taking people from other churches and persuading them to leave religions that might have been the faith of their childhood, even the faith of their family, perhaps for generations. Why does the church do this? Why do members of the church do this? Because they feel it is their moral imperative to do so. They will criticize other churches in the process in order to accomplish this goal. Why? Because they believe other churches are false.

The missionaries, and member missionaries don't have printed lessons about how awful any other denomination is. As President Hinckley said, we tell them to bring their truths, and we will add to them. We do not destroy any one else's faith. We try to give them added truth.

Nonsense. Even you know that the Mormon Church is founded on the premise that all other religions are false, and that the church that Jesus Christ established fell away and disappeared from the earth. This is fundamental, and included in lessons taught by missionaries, as well as official LDS print and internet material. Bring what truths and add to them? Infant baptism? Belief in the trinity? It's fundamentally dishonest to suggest such a thing.

Would you use the expression "fall away" for someone who converts to Mormonism? Did they "fall away" from their former faith? Did they commit some unmentionable sin, or were they offended by someone in their former church hierarchy, that opened the door for them to apostasize from their former religion? Or did they realize there was something missing or perhaps incorrect about their former faith that persuaded them to look elsewhere?

Did they become less active in their former faith, stop going to church, etc. Did they leave because their feelings were hurt, or because they failed to live up to the standards of that denomination? Then they fell away from it.

And if they just plain realized it was wrong, and wasn't what it claimed to be?

[_the road to hana]

I am sure you are aware that LDS live longer, healthier, happier lives than the average. Where is the misery? We are looking to share our joy.

Than the average what?

If the only point to belonging to Mormonism is what it will do for you in this life, and not the next, why advertise otherwise?

Average person in the US.

Who said the point of belonging to this Church is found only in this life? But we certainly don't believe we have to be miserable here so we can be happy there.

Charity, have you ever in your life been in line for something, and then realized you were in the wrong line?

Did you stay in the wrong line, or move to the correct one?

Did you ever say, "Well, I guess I'm in the wrong line, but this is the only line I know, so I guess I'll stay put?"

[_charity]

Charity, have you ever in your life been in line for something, and then realized you were in the wrong line?

Did you stay in the wrong line, or move to the correct one?

Did you ever say, "Well, I guess I'm in the wrong line, but this is the only line I know, so I guess I'll stay put?"

Boy, have you hit a nerve. I hate lines. I hate choosing a line. I hate waiting. So I now structure my environment so I don't do lines. I go to self serve and I shop either early or late at the grocery store. And I buy most other stuff on line.

Of course, I know you aren't talking about these kinds of lines. You are trying to ask me if I picked the wrong church, and now that I did I won't change just because I am too stubborn.

Not a chance. I have been told I am in the right Church by a source which is never wrong.

Let me ask you a question. Have you ever been a line that was moving slowly, and then you switched. But when you switched you found the line you had left started moving faster, and when you had switched you made the wrong choice?

[_Trevor]

I hate lines. I hate choosing a line. I hate waiting. So I now structure my environment so I don't do lines. I go to self serve and I shop either early or late at the grocery store. And I buy most other stuff on line.

Yeah, the gullible line was the only line charity was willing to stick out.