Ray A: The Gandhi of Internet Mormonism?

[_Daniel Peterson]

If your list of my alleged crimes were even partially accurate, Scratch, I would, plainly, be the shameless monster of unethical behavior that you obviously wish to portray me as being.

Happily, it's wrong altogether and in every particular.

By contrast, while, in and of itself, your likely alteration of a personal message (so strikingly similar to your apparent earlier behavior) doesn't precisely make you a monster, it does seem to point (once again) to your being both malicious and deliberately dishonest.

Malevolent mendacity. The pattern doesn't vary. The leopard doesn't change its spots.

[_Ray A]

Well, I'm glad to see you back, Prof. P., after the butt-kicking I gave you the last time you were here.

The Minister of Information strikes again. You're a liar, Scratch, and you know it.

Supposing I really did "falsify a message," how does that stack up against your track record?

Supposing? Supposing? Both you and I know what you wrote in that PM, and you're nothing but lying swine.

After all, you lied to and deceived many, many people over the course of thousands of posts on ZLMB and elsewhere, using your "FreeThinker" and "Logic Chopper" sockpuppets;

This is nothing compared to what you did. People use sockpuppets all the time. People do not alter messages and post them as originals all the time, except people like Mark Hofmann. You are in his class, because like him you are a total fraud, and a liar. You know it, and I know it.

you spearheaded a smear campaign in the pages of FARMS Review which contributed to the ruination of Mike Quinn's career; you rely on a probably bogus "2nd Michael Watson" letter. Do you really have much of an ethical foothold from which to cast judgments on the issue of honest? No; you don't.

You should not talk to other people about "ethics", because you have NONE!

By the way, I see you are still taunting Yme on the issue of FARMS academics. When you are ready to actually deal with the issues, I'll be waiting right here for you. In the meantime, don't you think you should tell all your toadies at MAD that you've been challenged on this issue, and yet you are too afraid to deal with the criticisms?

And I think your toadies here should take note of your dishonesty. I will swear by Almighty God, and a thousand Book of Mormons, that you are nothing but a deceiver and a liar of the lowest kind. You have no idea how much absolute contempt I have for you now. I'm not going to let this rest, either.

[Physics Guy]

If your list of my alleged crimes were even partially accurate, Scratch, I would, plainly, be the shameless monster of unethical behavior that you obviously wish to portray me as being.

Well, I wouldn't quite put it that way, but you most definitely *have* been guilty of some very unethical things: the tarring of Quinn's reputation, for example, or your gossipmongering against Prof. Ritner. Not very nice, Prof. P.!

Happily, it's wrong altogether and in every particular.

Uh, no. Unlike you, I have real, actual, verifiable evidence demonstrating what you've done.

By contrast, while, in and of itself, your likely alteration of a personal message (so strikingly similar to your apparent earlier behavior) doesn't precisely make you a monster, it does seem to point (once again) to your being both malicious and deliberately dishonest.

Malevolent mendacity. The pattern doesn't vary. The leopard doesn't change its spots.

by the way: How about telling us how those Sorensen articles constitute a legitimate presentation of controversial LDS theories in mainstream academia?

Pop!

[_Ray A]

Whether or not scratch lied (and I'm not convinced he did, since he's open about his other criticisms),

Of course you're not convinced. Why should you be convinced? Because you don't want to be convinced of anything unless it's anti-Mormon! Have you searched the evidence? Has Keene said anything. Oh, no, you are not convinced. Scratch is "open" about anti-Mormon criticisms, so he has credibility, that's why!

Yea, keep an open mind, just like you do about all things Mormon.

I still like Scratch more than you. Your "Mesoamerican studies" aren't worth the toilet paper they're written on.

[_Mister Scratch]

I pity you, because you are a very sad and pathetic human being with a huge chip on his shoulder,

One, I think posting PMs (and cross-posting material from other websites) is childish and in some cases can violate actual law (PMs have an expectancy of privacy. Posting them publicly can hit some nasty rules).

Two, we as LDS do need to avoid things like "pathetic human being". It does ultimately lower ourselves below that of Christ.

JMS

Try telling that to Prof. Peterson, who maliciously baited Infymus into an angry outburst, and then proceeded to pass along the private email exchange to his pals on SHIELDS. He did this to an RfM poster named "Susie Q" as well.

[_beastie]

Of course you're not convinced. Why should you be convinced? Because you don't want to be convinced of anything unless it's anti-Mormon! Have you searched the evidence? Has Keene said anything. Oh, no, you are not convinced. Scratch is "open" about anti-Mormon criticisms, so he has credibility, that's why!

Yea, keep an open mind, just like you do about all things Mormon.

I was specific in why I'm not convinced. Scratch has admitted other things he's said about DCP, I don't know why he would deny this one thing in particular.

I still like Scratch more than you. Your "Mesoamerican studies" aren't worth the toilet paper they're written on.

Let me save you some time. I don't care if you like me or not, and I certainly don't care whether or not you think my Mesoamerican studies aren't "worth the toilet paper they're written on.".

Now, if you could actually provide evidence that I made errors in some aspect, I would listen. Otherwise, you appear to be nothing more than a juvenile on the playground trying to think of something really, really, really mean to say.

[_The Nehor]

I pity you, because you are a very sad and pathetic human being with a huge chip on his shoulder,

One, I think posting PMs (and cross-posting material from other websites) is childish and in some cases can violate actual law (PMs have an expectancy of privacy. Posting them publicly can hit some nasty rules).

Two, we as LDS do need to avoid things like "pathetic human being". It does ultimately lower ourselves below that of Christ.

JMS

Try telling that to Prof. Peterson, who maliciously baited Infymus into an angry outburst, and then proceeded to pass along the private email exchange to his pals on SHIELDS. He did this to an RfM poster named "Susie Q" as well.

I think altering such a message is much more sinister.

[_beastie]

No comments on why MAD censors its posters for statements made on other boards?

Has anyone ever known another group of moderators who read other boards and censor their posters for things said outside their board?

All Maddites should remember: no matter where you post, Big Brother is watching!

[_beastie]

I think altering such a message is much more sinister.

Where is the evidence that he did so?

Or are we still just going on Ray's word?

[_Ray A]

Let me save you some time. I don't care if you like me or not, and I certainly don't care whether or not you think my Mesoamerican studies aren't "worth the toilet paper they're written on.".

Given your bias, you'd be the last person on earth I'd trust. I think Scratch is an ignoramus in many things Mormon. You are not. Your bias against Mormonism has to be one of the worst and most twisted demonstrations of anti-Mormonism I've seen on the Net.

Now, if you could actually provide evidence that I made errors in some aspect, I would listen. Otherwise, you appear to be nothing more than a juvenile on the playground trying to think of something really, really, really mean to say.

I don't give a rat's arse about tackling your "studies", because you are biased, and in my eyes you have even less credibility than Scratch. Scratch is a joker, you should know better.