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harmony wrote:The concept of the Holy Ghost isn't confined to Mormonism.


No, not true. The Mormon Cult uses it exclusively as a testifier of truth. Anything you want to know in Mormonism can be confirmed or denied via. the Holy Ghost. It is an exclusive instrument and does not conform to other religious views.

Mormonism sees the Holy Ghost as a personage that will in time get a body of flesh and blood. It is part of God - Jesus - Holy Ghost trinity that Mormonism has re-defined - that is so objected to by the Christian world.

No, the Holy Ghost is a Mormon created concept. The rest of the world knows better.
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Infymus wrote:
harmony wrote:The concept of the Holy Ghost isn't confined to Mormonism.


No, not true. The Mormon Cult uses it exclusively as a testifier of truth. Anything you want to know in Mormonism can be confirmed or denied via. the Holy Ghost. It is an exclusive instrument and does not conform to other religious views.

Mormonism sees the Holy Ghost as a personage that will in time get a body of flesh and blood. It is part of God - Jesus - Holy Ghost trinity that Mormonism has re-defined - that is so objected to by the Christian world.

No, the Holy Ghost is a Mormon created concept. The rest of the world knows better.


The rest of the world may not have the same concept of the Holy Ghost, but they have some concept. The concept of the Holy Ghost is not exclusive to Mormonism.
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Charity, you pigenhole and twist every one of your beliefs and still can't come u with a good answer to any of our questions.
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harmony wrote:
Infymus wrote:
harmony wrote:The concept of the Holy Ghost isn't confined to Mormonism.


No, not true. The Mormon Cult uses it exclusively as a testifier of truth. Anything you want to know in Mormonism can be confirmed or denied via. the Holy Ghost. It is an exclusive instrument and does not conform to other religious views.

Mormonism sees the Holy Ghost as a personage that will in time get a body of flesh and blood. It is part of God - Jesus - Holy Ghost trinity that Mormonism has re-defined - that is so objected to by the Christian world.

No, the Holy Ghost is a Mormon created concept. The rest of the world knows better.


The rest of the world may not have the same concept of the Holy Ghost, but they have some concept. The concept of the Holy Ghost is not exclusive to Mormonism.
Most religions have the concept of God as well but that does not make them one god but many unique, diametrically opposed gods as well. Infymus is right. Michael is unique to Mormons.
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Mercury wrote:
harmony wrote:
Infymus wrote:
harmony wrote:The concept of the Holy Ghost isn't confined to Mormonism.


No, not true. The Mormon Cult uses it exclusively as a testifier of truth. Anything you want to know in Mormonism can be confirmed or denied via. the Holy Ghost. It is an exclusive instrument and does not conform to other religious views.

Mormonism sees the Holy Ghost as a personage that will in time get a body of flesh and blood. It is part of God - Jesus - Holy Ghost trinity that Mormonism has re-defined - that is so objected to by the Christian world.

No, the Holy Ghost is a Mormon created concept. The rest of the world knows better.


The rest of the world may not have the same concept of the Holy Ghost, but they have some concept. The concept of the Holy Ghost is not exclusive to Mormonism.
Most religions have the concept of God as well but that does not make them one god but many unique, diametrically opposed gods as well. Infymus is right. Michael is unique to Mormons.


Michael?
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harmony wrote:
Mercury wrote:
harmony wrote:
Infymus wrote:
harmony wrote:
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Michael is unique to Mormons.

Michael?

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Infymus wrote:
harmony wrote:The concept of the Holy Ghost isn't confined to Mormonism.


No, not true. The Mormon Cult uses it exclusively as a testifier of truth. Anything you want to know in Mormonism can be confirmed or denied via. the Holy Ghost. It is an exclusive instrument and does not conform to other religious views.

Mormonism sees the Holy Ghost as a personage that will in time get a body of flesh and blood. It is part of God - Jesus - Holy Ghost trinity that Mormonism has re-defined - that is so objected to by the Christian world.

No, the Holy Ghost is a Mormon created concept. The rest of the world knows better.



You certainly are not correct at all. Christianity believes the Holy Ghost is a testator and witness for God, a revelator, part of the godhead and actually God, one with the Father and Son. The rest of Christianity does not believe the HG will ever have a body. All you need to do is read the New Testament to understand this. Jesus even said that he had to go his followers could receive the Holy Ghost. I am not sure at all how you reach this fallacious conclusion.
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malkie wrote:I'm just about to go out to the home of my TBM BiL for New Year (note the singular - not 'New Years' - I hope that Dr Shades and his grammar rules will approve of the Scottish way of saying it).

I had hoped for a reply from Charity to my posts of 3:34pm and 4:23pm, but perhaps a mewling nursery baby doesn't rate a reply from a god.


Hey, you shouldn't be quick to assume you are being ignored. I was celebrating New Years. We start early.

malkie wrote:Can someone else tell me, am I missing something, or is the whole "confirmation by the HG" thing busted. Replies from TBMs preferred - I don't need an external source of confirmation bias (;=> - my internal one works quite well, thank you.


Busted? How?

malkie wrote:When I need to communicate something important to my children, I try to make it so that they cannot easily misunderstand. The importance of the message determines the extent to which I will go to make it foolproof. It appears that god does not do the same. Either that or that the mechanism that should make communication and validation of important messages reliable has become broken - not what I would call a sign of intelligent design. I cannot distinguish between the feelings that the HG is supposed to give me, and the feelings I get when I listen to a particularly good guitar riff - think Jimi Hendrix in 'All Along the Watchtower'.


That's because you have to do your part. As a parent, you know that sometimes you just can't get through to your kid. I am sure God is every bit as frustrated when that happens when He tries to communicate with His children and they won't listen.

malkie wrote:At the judgment, will I be allowed to plead that it felt like indigestion to me (metaphorically speaking, now), when god intended it to be a sign of a heart attack, but I genuinely cannot tell the difference?


You are going to be held accountable for you knew. Not what you didn't. But you should be aware that when you get a quick thought, idea, feeling, prompting that something is really true and correct you should act on it.
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What I find interesting is when leaders of the church believe their personal "inspiration" is correct but when the HG "tells" them comflicting truths.

If I recall correctly, this was clearly evident when some of the brethren believed the blacks should have the priesthood and others did not think God wanted the ban to be liften for blacks. Seems they went for years getting conflicting messages from God/HG.

Or when prophets state something as truth, in an official capacity which turns out to be completely incorrect (think SWK for example). OF COURSE LEADERS can make mistakes.... but did the HG get it this wrong? Or are prophets and other leaders so far off course that they can seriously not tell what is and is not the HG?

Do these leaders pray for inspiration prior to sharing truth? Do they think the are getting it? Can they not differentiate between their own beliefs and the HG?

If leaders of the church get it so clearly wrong, seems to me it would give pause to other folks who think they have this clear communication with God/HG.

Or maybe not... ;-)

I guess there are those who think they are more special, more righteous, more in tune with the spirit than the prophets.

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charity wrote:
malkie wrote:I'm just about to go out to the home of my TBM BiL for New Year (note the singular - not 'New Years' - I hope that Dr Shades and his grammar rules will approve of the Scottish way of saying it).

I had hoped for a reply from Charity to my posts of 3:34pm and 4:23pm, but perhaps a mewling nursery baby doesn't rate a reply from a god.


Hey, you shouldn't be quick to assume you are being ignored. I was celebrating New Years. We start early.

You're right - I often assume that, being in EST, I do things earlier than most folks on the board. My apologies.

charity wrote:

malkie wrote:Can someone else tell me, am I missing something, or is the whole "confirmation by the HG" thing busted. Replies from TBMs preferred - I don't need an external source of confirmation bias (;=> - my internal one works quite well, thank you.


Busted? How?

By being unreliable. It appears that a substantial number of people cannot distinguish the influence of the HG from the effects of other, more mundane, bodily and mental processes.

charity wrote:
malkie wrote:When I need to communicate something important to my children, I try to make it so that they cannot easily misunderstand. The importance of the message determines the extent to which I will go to make it foolproof. It appears that god does not do the same. Either that or that the mechanism that should make communication and validation of important messages reliable has become broken - not what I would call a sign of intelligent design. I cannot distinguish between the feelings that the HG is supposed to give me, and the feelings I get when I listen to a particularly good guitar riff - think Jimi Hendrix in 'All Along the Watchtower'.


That's because you have to do your part. As a parent, you know that sometimes you just can't get through to your kid. I am sure God is every bit as frustrated when that happens when He tries to communicate with His children and they won't listen.

But, once again, is "my part" continuing to do the same thing (pray, pay, obey) until I agree with what the church says? And, as long as I don't get the desired result, the problem lies with me.

And what if I cannot hear - it's not that I'm not listening. The message is not getting through in a form such that I can be sure that it is from god, and is not just my own wishful thinking.

If god really means me to "get the message", why could he not make an unmistakable sign or communication channel? Why leave it to something that is so easily confused with something else? It seems almost guaranteed to fail to work for lots of his children - and he knows it. I know, I know, it is a wicked (and adulterous?) generation that seeks for a sign. Again, I'm the problem.

charity wrote:
malkie wrote:At the judgment, will I be allowed to plead that it felt like indigestion to me (metaphorically speaking, now), when god intended it to be a sign of a heart attack, but I genuinely cannot tell the difference?


You are going to be held accountable for you knew. Not what you didn't. But you should be aware that when you get a quick thought, idea, feeling, prompting that something is really true and correct you should act on it.


Hmmm, that's a dangerous idea. Even if I discount the (biased) "prompting". From time to time I get thoughts, ideas & feelings that seem good at the time, but, on sober second thought I realize that I really ought not to act on them.

I'd still like to know how you can be certain that the feelings you ascribe to the influence of the HG are just that. How can you be certain that it is not satan? Do you really think that it is completely impossible that you are wrong?
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