WOW: A must watch! Admissions of a mission prez!

[_moksha]

You make no sense.

Indeed. Perhaps my eyes were blinded by the craftiness of men. My bad.

Did it make a difference when you heard he was a Temple President as to his honesty?

[_Sethbag]

You guys should watch part 1 of this interview. It's got some interesting stuff.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EJKLELq8Dno&feature=related

He talks about things that used to happen in the temple ceremony that don't happen anymore. Apparently the officiator actually clothed a person in their first set of temple garments personally. Also the garments had no marks in them, and the officiator actually used a pair of shears to cut the marks in the garments at the right time in the ceremony, and then you had to take the garments home and sew them up. He said his father bore a scar on his nipple for the rest of his life that happened when the officiator accidentally cut his nipple while cutting one of the symbols into the garment.

He also discussed that his father was going through the temple for the first time right as they transitioned from only having long-sleeved and long-legged garments to having the one-piecer with short arms and short legs. The officiator wouldn't clothe Lyon's father with that garment and said he was a heretic or whatever, and someone actually went out and got a member of the First Presidency, who was a friend of theirs, to come tell the officiator that it was alright for Lyon's dad to be clothed in the new short-sleeved garment. Interesting stuff.

[_Boaz & Lidia]

Part three had a part which spoke about Dr. Lyon being a spanish interpreter for Hinckley when he came down to speak at Chile.

Hinckley was the official "prophet , seer, revelator" at the time.

I am not being funny or disrespectful when I ask, WHY did this supposed divine prophet of god need a translator?

[_harmony]

Silly Boaz. God only speaks English! Surely you know this.

[_Boaz & Lidia]

Silly Boaz. God only speaks English! Surely you know this.

Oh yeah. But it must be a second language for even the great Elohim because remember he had a many number of translation errors when he and Joe were translating the reformed Egyptian.

[_ludwigm]

Part three had a part which spoke about Dr. Lyon being a spanish interpreter for Hinckley when he came down to speak at Chile.
Hinckley was the official "prophet , seer, revelator" at the time.
I am not being funny or disrespectful when I ask, WHY did this supposed divine prophet of god need a translator?

Maybe he was more than that:

The word TRANSLATOR in the Text of the Doctrine and Covenants, sorted by relevance.
1. D&C 21: 1
Behold, there shall be a record kept among you; and in it thou shalt be called a seer, a translator, a prophet, an apostle of Jesus Christ, an elder of the church through the will of God the Father, and the grace of your Lord Jesus Christ,
2. D&C 107: 92
Behold, here is wisdom; yea, to be a seer, a revelator, a translator, and a prophet, having all the gifts of God which he bestows upon the head of the church.
3. D&C 124: 125
I give unto you my servant Joseph to be a presiding elder over all my church, to be a translator, a revelator, a seer, and prophet.

[_The Nehor]

This will be seen as someone overstepping his stewardship. This guy is toast. No wonder he's nervous. He just put his eternal salvation in jeapardy; he publically implicated the church in falsifying numbers; he embarrassed the Brethren. Not only did he jeapardize his own membership, but he probably made it nigh onto impossible for the Brethren to correct the situation or even to look into it, without looking like they don't know what's going on in their church. No one likes to be held up the ridicule this MP just heaped on the heads of the Brethren.

Yeah, he's toast. That's why he's now a temple president.

Ah, then he's untouchable. Is that the way you see it? That he's part of the inner circle, so what someone with less clout could not say, he can?

Not seeing the problem with the guy. He's speaking about problems and he also discusses the actions the Brethren have taken to correct those problems. He believes the Church is of God and has a testimony of the Gospel. He also believes that the current Prophet and Apostles are inspired. If Harmony hasn't been disciplined, why would they do anything to him?

[_Jason Bourne]

Unless there is an admittance about what is going on and the rights and wrongs of it, nothing will ever change for the better.

There will never be a change, let alone a change for the better, until the current Brethren acknowledge that something needs to change. And that isn't going to happen via this channel. There are channels by which the church changes; making a public statement like this, from an underling, is not acceptable. The Brethren run this church, let there be no mistake. This will be seen as someone overstepping his stewardship. This guy is toast. No wonder he's nervous. He just put his eternal salvation in jeapardy; he publically implicated the church in falsifying numbers; he embarrassed the Brethren. Not only did he jeapardize his own membership, but he probably made it nigh onto impossible for the Brethren to correct the situation or even to look into it, without looking like they don't know what's going on in their church. No one likes to be held up the ridicule this MP just heaped on the heads of the Brethren.

And we all know Monson has no sense of humor.

Well it seems Holland made changes by consolidating units in Brazil. And Brother Lyon's father T. Edgar was not tame little duck. His son seems to be cut from the same mold and good for him.

[_Jason Bourne]

So the Church can not find 210,000 members in Chile, cuts back the number of stakes and wards significantly, but apparently they never removed the names from the roles of the church or else you would have seen a decline in total membership or at least nearly flat from one year to the next. What BS.

FYI about 6 or 7 years ago I was at a meeting where the visiting GA said that in the lost member files-the list of members we do not know where they are-was about 850,000 Church wide. At that time that was about 8% of total.

[_moksha]

Part three had a part which spoke about Dr. Lyon being a spanish interpreter for Hinckley when he came down to speak at Chile.

I saw that portion last night. It was really good. I now hope nothing bad happens to Dr. Lyon because of his honesty and candor. I know it is opposite of the hide all unpleasantness and display robotic-like obedience approach we have sometimes seen, but that is not only refreshing, it is also the best approach in the long run. Honesty is the best policy