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_RockHeaded
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Trevor wrote:
RockHeaded wrote:So basically you are saying that one can make a claim, as in claiming someone borrowed information (or something like that) but they do not have to show where or how they've come to that conclusion?


I am sorry. When did I write that?

I presented a position about the Book of Mormon borrowing from the Bible. I did not present any information about olive trees.

I also explained that I do not think it is the nonbeliever's job to explain why it is members find the Book of Mormon so miraculous. I am waiting for someone to point out to me why I should consider the Book of Mormon ancient. Until I have good reason to believe it to be ancient, I am not interested in explaining why every last detail is as you imagine it to be. I can't spar with your spiritual perceptions. That is a pointless exercise.


You responded to a post that I made to Jersey Girl. I responded to YOUR response, asking you a question because I do not understand how someone can make a claim without being able to back it up. I understand what you are saying but when someone makes a claim then there should be reasoning, right? That was what I was looking for.
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RockHeaded wrote:Shades, I will read the book. In fact, I will try and ignore my bias while reading it.


Good. I congratulate you on your integrity.

But, after reading reviews of the book I have to wonder about the motives the writers had when writing the book?


Probably to get to the truth.

They say it is about history, not religion. Yet, the book is dedicated to Walter Martin (Bible answer man) whom was a hateful nasty person.


Whether or not Walter Martin (or anyone else) was a hateful, nasty person has absolutely nothing to do with who wrote the Book of Mormon.

I've listened to him on the radio and IMHO he wasn't a Christian.


Walter Martin (or anyone else) being a Christian or a non-Christian has absolutely nothing to do with who wrote the Book of Mormon.

People that are Christians do not treat people like he treated Mormon people, well when they are trying to help them out of a 'cult', right?


How Walter Martin (or anyone else) treated people has absolutely nothing to do with who wrote the Book of Mormon.
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_Trevor
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RockHeaded wrote:You responded to a post that I made to Jersey Girl. I responded to YOUR response, asking you a question because I do not understand how someone can make a claim without being able to back it up. I understand what you are saying but when someone makes a claim then there should be reasoning, right? That was what I was looking for.


Well, of course people can make claims without backing them up. How do you think Mormonism was born? ;-)

Surely, though, we should do better than that.

Yes, you made a claim about Joseph Smith and olive groves. You don't seem to have backed that up here. If I recall correctly, there is some question as to whether this accurately reflects how to tend olive trees. So do feel free to back up your claim. I am waiting.

by the way, I don't doubt that you do have something, but as you have pointed out, it is your job to pony up.
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_Trevor
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Dr. Shades wrote:How Walter Martin (or anyone else) treated people has absolutely nothing to do with who wrote the Book of Mormon.


Damn straight.
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_RockHeaded
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Trevor wrote:
RockHeaded wrote:You responded to a post that I made to Jersey Girl. I responded to YOUR response, asking you a question because I do not understand how someone can make a claim without being able to back it up. I understand what you are saying but when someone makes a claim then there should be reasoning, right? That was what I was looking for.


Well, of course people can make claims without backing them up. How do you think Mormonism was born? ;-)

Surely, though, we should do better than that.

Yes, you made a claim about Joseph Smith and olive groves. You don't seem to have backed that up here. If I recall correctly, there is some question as to whether this accurately reflects how to tend olive trees. So do feel free to back up your claim. I am waiting.

by the way, I don't doubt that you do have something, but as you have pointed out, it is your job to pony up.



ROFLMAO. Never mind, it is obvious that you ignore what I wrote.
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_Trevor
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RockHeaded wrote:ROFLMAO. Never mind, it is obvious that you ignore what I wrote.


Well, if you can't put up, I guess you are forced to shut up.
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_Jersey Girl
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Rock wrote:Okay, so tell me WHO did? or did someone tell Joseph how to cultivate the olive trees? You need to explain to us how THAT got into this book, since of course you believe someone or something made it up. There has to be some reasoning somewhere?



Why do you continue to mention Joseph Smith as involved in the Book of Mormon in your replies to me, when I've made it clear to you that my position is that Joseph Smith had nothing to do with the production of the Book of Mormon? I don't see that I have any responsibility to explain how olive trees got into the Book of Mormon. Why do you find that one bit of minuta important to dwell on? There will come a time when this (olive trees) becomes entirely irrelevant with regards to Book of Mormon evidences. Yes, that's a prediction.

I will give you direct reply about the olive tree question, I just want you to know that it really has no bearing in the grand scheme.
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_Jersey Girl
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ohhhhkay, let's see if a never-Mo is up to the olive tree task. Rock, you want me to explain how olive trees got into the Book of Mormon. Here's my random stab at it.

If I am not mistaken, the grafting of olive trees is mentioned in the Bible and View of the Hebrews.
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_msnobody
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Jersey Girl wrote:ohhhhkay, let's see if a never-Mo is up to the olive tree task. Rock, you want me to explain how olive trees got into the Book of Mormon. Here's my random stab at it.

If I am not mistaken, the grafting of olive trees is mentioned in the Bible and View of the Hebrews.


If I'm not mistaken and I could be, but biblically speaking, isn't the olive tree a picture of Israel?
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msnobody wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:ohhhhkay, let's see if a never-Mo is up to the olive tree task. Rock, you want me to explain how olive trees got into the Book of Mormon. Here's my random stab at it.

If I am not mistaken, the grafting of olive trees is mentioned in the Bible and View of the Hebrews.


If I'm not mistaken and I could be, but biblically speaking, isn't the olive tree a picture of Israel?


So far as I'm aware, yes it is.
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