Jersey Girl wrote:The only point of reference that makes sense is what "the world" was through the eyes of the ancients.
Why does no one get that?
It still doesn't answer why they would say that the Ark rested upon "the mountains of Ararat".
Was this hyperbole? And if so, isn't this lying?
No, it was a regional statement. Just as I used the Rocky Mountains as an example. I live upon the Rocky Mountains. The elevations vary from foothills to peaks.
If I told you I wrestled a lion, but it was really a cat, and then I said I was just "using hyperbole", how would you take that?
I would take that as an admission of your using hyperbole.
What about the Bible ref on the 20 ft?
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
The river ascribed as flowing out of the Garden and becomming four heads doesn't really match anything in Iraq or Turkey. Therefore, what exactly are the mountains of Ararat? Are the ones we think of now the same as the ones referred to in the Noah account?
In addition, I wouldn't rule out a huge tidal slosh to end and/or start the Flood. What is meant by "the fountains of the great deep were broken up"? What caused that? Earthquake? Volcanic activity? Plate shift?
Jersey Girl wrote:Why is it clear there were no "lower peaks" upon which Noah could have landed? There was no land in sight because it was covered with water...and?
As I've quoted:
7 And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth. 8 Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground; 9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark. 10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark; 11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
bcspace wrote: In addition, I wouldn't rule out a huge tidal slosh to end and/or start the Flood. What is meant by "the fountains of the great deep were broken up"? What caused that? Earthquake? Volcanic activity? Plate shift?
Then why would Noah be on the Ark for 371 days if it was a "tidal slosh"?
bcspace wrote:In addition, I wouldn't rule out a huge tidal slosh to end and/or start the Flood.
What difference does that make?
17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. 18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. 19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
1And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters assuaged;
2The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;
3And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.
4And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.
The ark rested on the 17th of the 7th month upon the mountains of Ararat. Three months later we see this....
5And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.
What does that mean? That the ark rested on a mountain peak that couldn't be seen until 3 months later? The water surrounded the ark while it sat upon a mountain top...without moving...but the peaks couldn't be seen. You've got water covering a mountain peak and yet the ark remains steady atop it. That makes no sense.
6And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made:
7And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth.
This was all flood waters gradually receeding. I assume you've experienced a flood, Ray? It takes a while for the waters to receed. So considering the previous statement that implies that the ark rested on a mountain peak (with water surrounding it and without moving) this suggests that the ark was teetering upon a mountain peak the entire time the flood waters were receeding? Not possible.
8Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;
9But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.
10And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;
11And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
12And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more.
13And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.
14And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.
I'll take another shot at this passage tomorrow, I'm exhausted.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Jersey Girl wrote:The ark rested on the 17th of the 7th month upon the mountains of Ararat. Three months later we see this....
5And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.
What does that mean? That the ark rested on a mountain peak that couldn't be seen until 3 months later? The water surrounded the ark while it sat upon a mountain top...without moving...but the peaks couldn't be seen. You've got water covering a mountain peak and yet the ark remains steady atop it. That makes no sense.