The Death of Evolution

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From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/science/nature/8099377.stm

13:59 GMT, Monday, 15 June 2009 14:59 UK
Sea gives up Neanderthal fossil
By Paul Rincon, Science reporter, BBC News

Neanderthal frontal bone (Museum of Antiquities in Leiden)
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Part of a Neanderthal man's skull has been dredged up from the North Sea, in the first confirmed find of its kind.

Scientists in Leiden, in the Netherlands, have unveiled the specimen - a fragment from the front of a skull belonging to a young adult male.

Analysis of chemical "isotopes" in the 60,000-year-old fossil suggest a carnivorous diet, matching results from other Neanderthal specimens.

The North Sea is one of the world's richest areas for mammal fossils.


60,000-year-old ? It is ten times older than the whole world ...

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Next time, we will be informed about the skulls of a curelom-cumom couple digged out between the "Visitors Center" and "The statue of Moroni", at Hill Cumorah, NY (coordinates: 43°00′N 77°13′W ).

the Visitors Center - - > Image

the skulls (under construction) - - > :evil: . :evil:

the statue of Moroni - - > Image
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Paracelsus wrote:From http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/science/nature/8099377.stm

13:59 GMT, Monday, 15 June 2009 14:59 UK
Sea gives up Neanderthal fossil
By Paul Rincon, Science reporter, BBC News

Neanderthal frontal bone (Museum of Antiquities in Leiden)
Image
Part of a Neanderthal man's skull has been dredged up from the North Sea, in the first confirmed find of its kind.


the skulls (under construction) - - > :evil: . :evil:



That's all they got?

All the world is going to go GAW GAW for this?

My Archaeological site: Mount Olympus, has layer after layer, some sixteen and counting, actual relics of God, cut out of the mountain without hands, a standing prophecy and fulfillment of prophecy unto all nations from the living God on a stone that smites the toes of Babylon and everyone just laughs. I think is the hollow laugh of the damned. What is wrong with this world?
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Nightlion wrote:
Uncle Dale wrote:I know that I can walk into any classroom in practically any country in the
world, where higher education is being offered, and be taught something
about evolution of species. Count all those teachers, administrators,
students, and approving parents/families, and they add up to hundreds
of millions of people who take natural selection in evolution of species
very seriously. They are all lying "egomaniacal God denyers," along with
all of the supporting/confirming scientists, researchers, technicians and
writers, who accept the Scientific Method? Give me a break: I'm not that stupid!

You yourself admit that God could bring forth new species ----- what is it
that prevents God from using natural selection to accomplish such a change
over a lengthy period of time?


UD


Worlds without number is a good species bank for all of creation. Man will not let go of thinking he is the center of the universe and the original it. Who is the father of such egomaniacal thinking? Yeah, that's right. SATAN!

So the weight of all the world accepting what they are told makes stupid anyong who will not go along? Okay, I'll be stupid then.


Nightlion stated:
Worlds without number is a good species bank for all of creation. Man will not let go of thinking he is the center of the universe and the original it. Who is the father of such egomaniacal thinking? Yeah, that's right. SATAN!


It is incorrect to consider that “Man will not let go of thinking he is the center of the universe…” While there might be a some poorly informed, poorly educated people who hold that view, it is not one held by those who are knowledgeable. “SATAN” is a mythological construction by some religious groups.

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JAK wrote:
It is incorrect to consider that “Man will not let go of thinking he is the center of the universe…” While there might be a some poorly informed, poorly educated people who hold that view, it is not one held by those who are knowledgeable. “SATAN” is a mythological construction by some religious groups.

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So then where IS the center of the universe where all the more knowledgable folks hand out?

Mythology is too easy. Satan is the one spreading the rumour that he is a myth. After my reading of Mount Olympus PROVES that God exists all knowledgable folks might consider that Satan is real too.
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You may believe any religious myth you wish. No evidence establishes either “SATAN” or “God” as you appear to have been indoctrinated.

Today, we have much information and evidence regarding the extent, size, and detail regarding billions and billions of stars (suns much like our own). We also have consensus science regarding the evolution of life forms on this 4.5 billion year old planet we call earth.

God notions have evolved in story form over centuries and have become fixtures of various religious groups. Prior to the notion of a single God were notions of multiple gods. Many of the changes in mythologies/religions have been documented by study of evidence accumulated over relatively recent time.

While centuries in the past mythologies were constructed to explain, we (as the well educated community of intellectual inquirers) recognize those myths were and are unreliable as explanation. Ancient scripts of religions such as Christianity and Islam are unreliable.

Why is that? First, they do not agree on various asserted truths. Second, they rely on truth by assertion. In recent and expositional expansion of knowledge through research and through consensus in science, we have information unavailable to earlier myth-makers. Third, only recently, for example, has the Hubble Space Telescope revealed a vastness to the universe not previously observed or known.

Nightlion stated:
Satan is the one spreading the rumour that he is a myth.


A close examination of this statement recognizes it as an assertion. “Satan” is not established. Asserting “Satan” does not establish such an entity. Ancient scripts or modern affirmation of ancient scripts do not establish any such entity. It’s religious dogma of some religious groups (yours I presume since you make the statement).

Nightlion stated:
After my reading of Mount Olympus PROVES that God exists all knowledgable folks might consider that Satan is real too.


On the contrary, your “reading” of anything does not “Prove(s) that God exists…” No evidence has established “God” over gods. This as well is an assertion absent consensus. Not only is there no consensus on the claim “God,” beyond that, there is no consensus on the particulars which different religious claims make for the asserted “God.”

For example, your notion of God is not the same notion that Muslims have of God.. Muslims have ancient scripts also. Like your notions of God, Muslims have other notions of God. Surely you would recognize that to be the case.

In addition, Roman Catholic dogma does not agree with Mormon dogma regarding the characterization of God notions. Surely you would recognize that to be the case as well. Otherwise, all Roman Catholics would be Mormons or vice versa. Surely you would recognize that as well.

Christian faith groups number around 1,000 according to research on various groups which I linked for you here. These groups do not agree on various assertions they make regarding God claims. Yet, they all claim to be Christian. No evidence establishes any one of these 1,000 faith groups in Christianity alone to be right or superior to all other Christian faith groups.

We can study a large number of these and their evolutionary history. Please scroll down Christian faith groups to review “Some individual denominations” a bit lower on the page.

These various groups are a product of both evolution of religious doctrines and emergence of religious doctrines. They are separate because they do not agree with one another on many fundamental notions which are a part of their religious dogma. Many, if not most Christian groups have their own “literature” and doctrines.

It’s important from the perspective of transparent, open, intellectual inquiry to recognize not only many Christian groups but to recognize as well other world religions. Religions emerged and evolved over time and in various civilizations (some of which are extinct) and in various cultures.

Many of those have been well documented by historians globally.

It seems the more entrenched indoctrination is from cradle to adulthood, the more difficult it is for individuals to embrace that transparent, open, intellectual inquiry to which I referred previously.

As we recognize that each of the many groups has its own doctrine and dogma regarding God myths, we also can recognize their diversity makes them incompatible with one another. Were that not the case, we would have one religion. But, of course we have not only many religions, we have many version of one religion, Christianity.

Nightlion, I can appreciate that individuals have been well indoctrinated in a particular religious doctrine. I can also appreciate that recognition of some observations here can be quite painful or frustrating.

Tangent to this, but relevant is this: I know a young man who was adopted at birth. He was never told that he was adopted and was treated well by his adoptive parents. When he had some medical issues, the physicians inquired about his hereditary background in order to better diagnose and treat him. It was only then that he was informed that he was adopted. The information was extremely traumatic for him. First was disbelief. Then there was anger toward his parents for keeping the secret. He had a significant period of psychological adjustment to a truth which he had never suspected.

In my view, as soon as he was old enough to comprehend what it was to be adopted, he should have been told. As a child of 3 or 4, he could have accepted the truth easily. That would have been true especially if his parents had reinforced their love for him and that he was their child in all respects except for one.

It’s also my view that recognizing religious mythology for what it is as an adult is perhaps equally difficult and traumatic. Some may prefer to simply repeat: I believe, I believe, I believe rather than recognize the long and varied historical evolution of religious mythologies. They prefer to maintain the blinders and maintain a comfort zone by insisting that their religion is the only correct and right religion.

My addressing of your comment has been straight forward and honest in the limitation which a bb such as this affords. Please know that my intent is to be truthful with you not to be unkind.

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JAK wrote:
My addressing of your comment has been straight forward and honest in the limitation which a bb such as this affords. Please know that my intent is to be truthful with you not to be unkind.

JAK


Somebody has a tag line where Einstien says that only experience proves anything.....or something like that.

There is not believing myths or indoctrination with me. I was abused as a child and could not identify with LDS indoctrination. I was visited as an infant and toddler by a loving being who gave me the confidence to rescue my siblings by sharing my love with them from my earliest days and abated the indoctrination to become narcistic sychopaths like our parents. I could not heal them entirely so they resent me to this day for all their weaknesses. Oh well.

When I was eighteen and needed to find God again I found him while I was away from everyone I knew. I was not led and I was ignorant or what I was doing but I was led by God to find him because I wanted it more than life or anything about life.

I know God from experience. You cannot refute it. My reading of the mountain is proof of God because the mountain came into existence before all the scriptures that tie into it were ever written or versed or ever entered into the hearts of any men.

I going to write up a book that will detail the Art of God to an audience fully ignorant of anything spiritual. I always take too much for granted that people know something.

The pop science that ignores God is stupid ignoring all that bears upon this topic.
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It’s unfortunate that you were unable/unwilling to address the particulars in this post addressing directly your comments.

Nightlion stated:
Somebody has a tag line where Einstien says that only experience proves anything.....or something like that.


Einstein (not Einstien) addressed the details of particulars in his work and in his life. Who is “somebody” to whom you refer? In any case, the “tag line” (your expression) in no way applies to the multiple components of Einstein’s life’s work in science. It was a life’s work in which critical attention was paid to objective, peer-reviewed findings by others who worked with Einstein and who worked independently of him.

Nightlion stated:
There is not believing myths or indoctrination with me. I was abused as a child and could not identify with LDS indoctrination. I was visited as an infant and toddler by a loving being who gave me the confidence to rescue my siblings by sharing my love with them from my earliest days and abated the indoctrination to become narcistic sychopaths like our parents. I could not heal them entirely so they resent me to this day for all their weaknesses. Oh well.


On the contrary, your posts illustrate directly that you subscribe to “myths” and that you have been “indoctrinated.” As for your being “abused as a child,” my comments make no challenge to that. Anyone who is “abused” has my sympathy. Unfortunately, various kinds of abuse take place at near epidemic levels. Clearly, I know only what you write here and have no comment on your “parents.”

Nightlion stated:
When I was eighteen and needed to find God again I found him while I was away from everyone I knew. I was not led and I was ignorant or what I was doing but I was led by God to find him because I wanted it more than life or anything about life.


“God” by any detail is a product of mythological claim. Not one shred of evidence supports the many contradictory claims made by individuals, groups, or institutions about God. Often people who have abused experiences or have unhappy experiences imagine the supernatural for which there is no evidence. That you were “led” by your life’s experiences (many unhappy or tortured) does not validate your speculations about any God entity.

Keep in mind that your God entity inherently has different assumed characteristics than a God entity as claimed by others.

Nightlion stated:
I know God from experience. You cannot refute it. My reading of the mountain is proof of God because the mountain came into existence before all the scriptures that tie into it were ever written or versed or ever entered into the hearts of any men.


“Experience” is by its very nature inherently subjective. Subjective experiences are often fraught with emotions. Your own perceptions of any God myth arise from your own environment. The word “proof” is a word which requires open, transparent, tested particulars which can be objectively verified by objective analysis. That you believe some God myth as a result of your personal experiences is no “proof” as you use the term. That you have emotional feelings could certainly be verified by psychologists or psychiatrists (branches of medicine).

Human evolution “is the part of evolution concerning the emergence of Homo Sapiens as a distinct species…” You may read the entire link for further clarification.

The planet earth is 4.5 billion years old. Only a tiny fraction of that time have human ancestors and humans occupied this planet. The emergence of a notion the gods and then an evolution of those myths to a notion of a God is relatively recent compared with the 4.5 billion years of this ever-changing planet.

Archaic Homo Sapiens “emerged about 500,000 years ago. You may read this link as well.

Nightlion stated:
I going to write up a book that will detail the Art of God to an audience fully ignorant of anything spiritual. I always take too much for granted that people know something.


You may write anything you wish. There are many thousands of books regarding God myths available from book stores and particularly available from religion-only book stores.

“Spiritual” may be appropriately exchanged with a more accurate term emotional. Spiritual notions are charged with and abound in emotional responses to environment primarily. There are studies which suggest that such notions may be hereditary as well. That is, certain emotional attachments to God myths or other “spiritual” notions may be an inherent part of human experience.

While we have a human history of numerous organized religions, we also have a history of individuals who break away from those religions or devise self-made ideas which can be classified as religious in nature.

You might want to extend your understanding of proof by reviewing exactly what proof is and what it is not.

Again, it’s unfortunate you were unable or unwilling to address the details of this previous post.

Nightlion stated:
The pop science that ignores God is stupid ignoring all that bears upon this topic.


No evidence has established any God myth (claim). Further, the various God myths are contradictory with one another and are self-contradictory as they make claims which have internal contradictions within their own dogma.

No one’s intensely of personal, emotional experience establishes, constitutes, or stabilizes a particular God myth over any other God myth or all other God myths.

While you may claim what you wish, absent clear, transparent, objective analysis, it is unreliable. It is not established.

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JAK wrote:
No one’s intensely of personal, emotional experience establishes, constitutes, or stabilizes a particular God myth over any other God myth or all other God myths.

While you may claim what you wish, absent clear, transparent, objective analysis, it is unreliable. It is not established.

JAK


This is why the haters of God come off stupid to those who have real spiritual experience. They so completely misunderstand what spiritual is that it is absurd. We are emotional beings no doubt. Some are seriously abused. Lots of pretenders muddle the field of religion with complete foolishness.

A spiritual experience cannot originate from within your own mind or emotions, endorphines notwithstanding. It is like knowing the difference between water and air to recognize the difference between what is truly spiritual and what is not.

Spiritual experience that I have encountered comes from without. It cannot orginate within. I could pop off an impressive list. Each one has added to me that which was not there before it occured. We are first and primarily intelligence and beings of light and truth. When that intellignece is added upon from a source without it defines itself and will always be attributed to God.

There is of course the opposite source that is spiritual entropy which we recognize as evil. The world is reeling under this influence without the recognition of it being blinded by sophisticated rationales that are studied to exclude a spiritual reference.

Proof is something which can be repeated and experienced again. You can experience the Mount Olympus encounter with God for yourself. You need to be as familiar with the scriptural connections as I am to fully appreciate what you are seeing. The mountain did not originate with my emotions. It is cut out of stone without hands and is lifted up to confront the haters of God to the face and leave them without excuse before they are sadly swept off the face of the earth by the coming age of righteousness.
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Nightlion wrote:...
those who have real spiritual experience
...

There are real experiences.
There are spiritual experiences.

"real spiritual experience" is an iron ring made of wood, as one Old World proverb says.

real
adj.
1. a. Being or occurring in fact or actuality; having verifiable existence: real objects; a real illness.
b. True and actual; not imaginary, alleged, or ideal: real people, not ghosts; a film based on real life.
c. Of or founded on practical matters and concerns: a recent graduate experiencing the real world for the first time.
2. Genuine and authentic; not artificial or spurious: real mink; real humility.
3. Being no less than what is stated; worthy of the name: a real friend.
4. Free of pretense, falsehood, or affectation: tourists hoping for a real experience on the guided tour.
5. Not to be taken lightly; serious: in real trouble.
6. Philosophy. Existing objectively in the world regardless of subjectivity or conventions of thought or language.
7. Relating to, being, or having value reckoned by actual purchasing power: real income; real growth.
8. Physics. Of, relating to, or being an image formed by light rays that converge in space.
9. Mathematics. Of, relating to, or being a real number.
10. Law. Of or relating to stationary or fixed property, such as buildings or land.

spiritual
1. Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not tangible or material. See synonyms at immaterial.
2. Of, concerned with, or affecting the soul.
3. Of, from, or relating to God; deific.
4. Of or belonging to a church or religion; sacred.
5. Relating to or having the nature of spirits or a spirit; supernatural.
I know of nothing poorer
Under the sun, than you, you Gods!
...
Should I honour you? Why?

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe : Prometheus
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Paracelsus wrote:
Nightlion wrote:...
those who have real spiritual experience
...

There are real experiences.
There are spiritual experiences.

"real spiritual experience" is an iron ring made of wood, as one Old World proverb says.

real
adj.
1. a. Being or occurring in fact or actuality; having verifiable existence: real objects; a real illness.
b. True and actual; not imaginary, alleged, or ideal: real people, not ghosts; a film based on real life.
c. Of or founded on practical matters and concerns: a recent graduate experiencing the real world for the first time.
2. Genuine and authentic; not artificial or spurious: real mink; real humility.
3. Being no less than what is stated; worthy of the name: a real friend.
4. Free of pretense, falsehood, or affectation: tourists hoping for a real experience on the guided tour.
5. Not to be taken lightly; serious: in real trouble.
6. Philosophy. Existing objectively in the world regardless of subjectivity or conventions of thought or language.
7. Relating to, being, or having value reckoned by actual purchasing power: real income; real growth.
8. Physics. Of, relating to, or being an image formed by light rays that converge in space.
9. Mathematics. Of, relating to, or being a real number.
10. Law. Of or relating to stationary or fixed property, such as buildings or land.

spiritual
1. Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not tangible or material. See synonyms at immaterial.
2. Of, concerned with, or affecting the soul.
3. Of, from, or relating to God; deific.
4. Of or belonging to a church or religion; sacred.
5. Relating to or having the nature of spirits or a spirit; supernatural.


What is so great about the mercy of God in our day is that he is bringing it to you. Unworthy as everyone is, he promised to raise up an Ensign and cause a stone cut out of the mountain without hands to smite the world and begin the kingdom of our God and of his Christ with this herald. And a man get to declare it unto an unbelieving world.

But the mountain is real......
The experience of the mountian is spiritual
You shall encounter God before your own eyes.
Then you will be responsible for your own fate that awaits.

Did you think the Lord would suddenly blindside the world and burn it to a cinder with no options?
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