Nightlion wrote:1. True saints make it or they fall hard all the way out. There is no middle ground with those made partakers of Christ's power.
a. Snow's absence therefore heralds him a Son of Perdition.
b. When then, did he fall? When he betrayed the secrets of Joseph Smith that laid the foundation of his murder. He became guilty of innocent blood and fell hard. Judas did not kill Christ only betrayed him. Lorenzo was in on all the secrets because his sister was.
Snow's absence in Smith's vision is interesting, but not conclusive that he had "fall[en] hard all the way out." Smith refers to the presence of "other choice spirits." Snow could have been among their number.
Which secrets of Joseph Smith did Snow betray? We know he was absent at the time of the prophet's assassination, being in Ohio at the time. What proof do you have that Snow betrayed Joseph, outside of your reading of section 138?
Nightlion wrote:2. What would Satan do with a highly placed insider?
a. Turn things upside down deftly and unnoticed with the aid of confederates a plenty from the ranks of the misbegotten bastard lines of England. (perhaps your line was not of that ilk)
Which of these lines was corrupted? What proof have you that they were? Snow came home with 250 British converts, many of them probably from London. Are you suggesting that he brought home some kind of druidic coven that was based in London? What proof have you that such a thing even existed in the 1840s or that any of the people who came home with Snow were involved in it.
Nightlion wrote: Supplant Christ with doctrine that makes man the focus of the gospel. Exaltation unto Godhood really does that well. This would defeat the real gospel causing an apostasy, a falling away.
As man is God once was
As God is man may become
Lorenzo Snow
You need to read the New Testament more closely, along with Joseph's King Follett Discourse. Furthermore, any Christian knows that God took on the form of a man in Christ, was crucified, and rose to exaltation. The pattern is laid out right there.
Nightlion wrote:4. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped;[/color] (SEE THE COUPLET ABOVE) so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
The couplet provides no evidence that Snow either opposed or exalted himself
above all that is called God.
Nightlion wrote:After THE TEMPLE of God was finished, the Salt Lake Temple, Who was it that took up his residence in that grand house, entertaining family and freinds, showing himself the owner as if he were God??????????
The first president of the Salt Lake Temple was ........
LORENZO SNOW
An interesting reading of the situation, but when did he show himself to be God? Just by residing on the House of the Lord? The Lord shares his house with those who are in the covenant. I fail to see the problem. Thessalonians refers to a person outside of the covenant imposing himself on the sanctuary, like Antiochus IV Epiphanes or Caligula, who respectively defiled or threatened to defile the Temple.
Nightlion wrote:The legacy of Lorenzo Snow is that all the doors open to full tithe payers. No discrimination as to who is truly born of God. That is lost and forgotten and the Mormons have moved on!
Just because Snow increased emphasis on the law of the tithe does not mean that he otherwise fundamentally changed the requirements for entering the Lord's House. You need to do better than that.
Nightlion wrote:I grew up in the East Millcreek Stake where I know personally that many were into Satanism. My own parents whose both lines are British Isles, one a bastard line, practised witchcraft upon me and my two brothers and sister openly until I was seven years old. I have one memory that if true is fully as montrous as Elder Glen Pace believed and concluded to be real. His investigation and his conclusion and he made recommendations that were rebuffed and ignored.
How do you conclude that one of your lines was "bastard"? What does that mean, druidic? If so, what evidence do you have that they were? You didn't like one of the families? And your "one memory"... have you always carried it, or did you retrieve it in therapy? Memories of this kind have been shown to be problematic, to put it politely. I simply do not buy that Satanism was rampant. All of this coincides in time with the national Satanism scare, which turned out to be complete bunk.
“I was hooked from the start,” Snoop Dogg said. “We talked about the purpose of life, played Mousetrap, and ate brownies. The kids thought it was off the hook, for real.”